OldnotDeadWings
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- Sep 18, 2013
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A rebuilding team should be trading old players for draft picks.
Not Ouellet.
Not Sheahan.
Not even Jurco.
This is ****ed.
A rebuilding team should be trading old players for draft picks.
Not Ouellet.
Not Sheahan.
Not even Jurco.
This is ****ed.
Luke Glendening, in less games played, has more goals than both Sheahan and Jurco combined! Lol
Big loss! DERP.
What during this season or in career? Cause unless he scores 11 goals in next 5 games the purple teletubby is ahead of him career wise. Even points wise Sheahan has around 40+ more.
I like Glendening as a bottom 6 guy, but Sheahan is better. And I've never been a fan of the teletubby...
If you watched Jurco in GR you would know he is best playing net front. He's got amazing tip and hands up close. Instead of letting him play to his strengths Detroit kept trying to make him into a grinder.
Your "facts" are the consequence of a player not performing, you're ignoring the actual reasons a player gets reduced icetime or a different role. Is it a fact that I don't score more NHL goals because I don't get the opportunity to play top 9 minutes on an NHL team? Yeah, but it's also a fact I'm nowhere near good enough to play in the NHL to begin with. Jurco is not in the NHL either. You can believe that's because he was "ruined" by getting some icetime with Glendening, but again; he was vastly outperformed offensively by guys like Glenny, Helm, Cole etc. so why would any coach in their right mind give Jurco a bigger role? Oh right, I forgot, because he's young..I post facts.
You ignore them and say I ignore facts.
Has he? He's been okay, but we're talking limited icetime. Do you think he outperforms anyone in the top 9? I would doubt it.Booth has been one of the better forwards on this team. Funny he is averaging 7 minutes a game. Far less than Helm, Glendening and Abdelkader. I'd take Booth over all 3 of them.
I think if they even gave him 3rd line minutes he coulda gotten a middle round pick in return given how well he's been playing.
Remember when Blashill said he's consider giving Booth more icetime after scoring those 2 goals vs NJ? Well it was a mere 6-7 weeks later he played more icetime than that game. He obviously thought about it for 2 seconds and is like, "Oh hell no!"
Didn't think there would be this much anger over losing XO.
That's quite an awful black and white statement you are making.It's not anger.
It's pointing out the obvious.
A bad team with the highest payroll and oldest roster in the NHL shouldn't be moving out young, cheap players.
They should be moving out old, expensive players.
It's common sense.
That's quite an awful black and white statement you are making.
By my calculations, 28 is when this board flips from ”he’s young, could still improve” to ”he’s old, don’t sign him, he can only decline!”. 30 is basically one foot in the grave around here.How long should these guys have gotten to figure things out here? What happens if they regress further?
Do they just set 27YO as the cutoff? Did they give up too fast on guys like Emmerton and Mursak too? What about Derek Meech?
How long should these guys have gotten to figure things out here? What happens if they regress further?
Do they just set 27YO as the cutoff? Did they give up too fast on guys like Emmerton and Mursak too? What about Derek Meech?
It's not anger.
It's pointing out the obvious.
A bad team with the highest payroll and oldest roster in the NHL shouldn't be moving out young, cheap players.
They should be moving out old, expensive players.
It's common sense.
This board *****es and cries about the direction of the franchise....
Yet when the media reports they want to trade XO or Sheahan or Mrazek .... they're all about it. When someone points out that they should be trading Ericsson, Helm or Howard instead, they vigorously defend Holland.
Apparently unaware of how Holland locked himself into an expensive, old and mediocre roster.
Have you ever considered that maybe some of the guys you want traded have negative trade equity and can't be traded?
Helm wasn't taken in the Expansion Draft for free. Howard has been injury prone for years. Ericsson makes 4.25 mil and is signed until 2020.
Didn't think there would be this much anger over losing XO.
Have you ever considered that maybe some of the guys you want traded have negative trade equity and can't be traded?
Helm wasn't taken in the Expansion Draft for free. Howard has been injury prone for years. Ericsson makes 4.25 mil and is signed until 2020.
If you’ve determined XO is no longer part of your plan going forward you do him a favor and trade him so he gets an opportunity with another team. He doesn’t want to spend his career in the press box. If you can get a draft pick for him, that’s great.I am not sure its anger so much as t is confusing
whats the point of the move
it dosent free up any significant short or long term cap space
the return likely isnt big enough or of enough value to increase our odds of finding impact player(s) thru the draft(you`re not getting a high pick or good prospect for him)
he isnt old
he hasent been any worse then a / of other players on our blueline especially when factoring in age, games played and contract length and cap hit
I would have liked to have seen Emmerton and Mursak get a bit more action beyond their 8 minutes a night, or whatever they got. Sure.
But I understand. Gotta resign Bertuzzi. Got to bring in Modano. Got to resign Samuelsson. Got to bring back Cleary.
If you’ve determined XO is no longer part of your plan going forward you do him a favor and trade him so he gets an opportunity with another team. He doesn’t want to spend his career in the press box. If you can get a draft pick for him, that’s great.
Holland has talked about his plan probably the last three years. Go read up on it.ok
so we`re ONLY doing it as a favour
what is our plan going forward exactly
Holland has talked about his plan probably the last three years. Go read up on it.
By my calculations, 28 is when this board flips from ”he’s young, could still improve” to ”he’s old, don’t sign him, he can only decline!”. 30 is basically one foot in the grave around here.
He's bad and it opens up a spot for a young guy from Grand Rapids. When you waive XO you probably lose him for nothing so you try to trade him for like a 5th or 6th rounder.I am not sure its anger so much as t is confusing
whats the point of the move
it dosent free up any significant short or long term cap space
the return likely isnt big enough or of enough value to increase our odds of finding impact player(s) thru the draft(you`re not getting a high pick or good prospect for him)
he isnt old
he hasent been any worse then a / of other players on our blueline especially when factoring in age, games played and contract length and cap hit
I haven't heard many around here defending Holland about trading E, Helm, or Howard.It's not anger.
It's pointing out the obvious.
A bad team with the highest payroll and oldest roster in the NHL shouldn't be moving out young, cheap players.
They should be moving out old, expensive players.
It's common sense.
This board *****es and cries about the direction of the franchise....
Yet when the media reports they want to trade XO or Sheahan or Mrazek .... they're all about it. When someone points out that they should be trading Ericsson, Helm or Howard instead, they vigorously defend Holland.
Apparently unaware of how Holland locked himself into an expensive, old and mediocre roster.