diceman934
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So rather then admit you were wrong you post this.For someone who is new to hockey like you are, I have to give you credit for trying to learn the game, stick in there, you'll get it eventually, maybe?
So rather then admit you were wrong you post this.For someone who is new to hockey like you are, I have to give you credit for trying to learn the game, stick in there, you'll get it eventually, maybe?
Mess gets it.
Forget which show I was watching but they were talking about the 3 amigos and they said, sign them in this order, Nylander first, Marner next and Matthews last. The reasoning is they used the Draisaitl, McDavid scenario and they theorized that by signing the big fish first (McDavid) it actually brought up Draisaitl's AAV. I tend to agree with this theory. They also said that if Marner and Nylander are smart they should bet on themselves and sign a bridge contract vs signing a long term 8 year deal.
They also said that Matthews AAV is somewhere between McDavid (12mil) and Eichel (10 mil). they feel that Marner's contract comparable is Pasternak's (AAV $6.67)
I honestly don't get why people are so scared of bridge deals.
you have 7 years of control.
3 ELC
2 RFA no Arb
2 RFA with Arb
use it to your advantage. heck. structure you contract (if you must give them a llong contract) pay them in a ladder.
So rather then admit you were wrong you post this.
Agreed if you are just coming off your 3 year entry and think you deserve 8, 9 mil but are not willing to bet on yourself and take a bridge year so you can sign a bigger contract after the bridge deal expires, kinda sends a message that you don't think you are going to improve.
If I'm Nylander or Marmer, I'm pulling a Subban all day every day.
kinda sends a message that you don't think you are going to improve
Just curious what you're referring to here - Nylander is currently on his ELC, and has never signed any other NHL contract. When did he bet on himself, and how did he lose?Also. People asking for a bridge better know what they are asking for. 1 I can see. But all 3? Nuts.
What if Winnipeg bridged chief? Could they afford laine?
What if Colorado bridged mackinnon? What would he get now? 11?
What if Calgary bridged johny and Monahan? What would they be worth?
Do you think the isles would love another 2 years with Tavares in the fold?
Willy bet on himself and lost. To let him bridge again to try to get a 8-9 million deal is lunacy... the Matthews market is set.
Marner has a bunch of high performing contemporaries who may sign for less. If you have to bridge. It’s him I think
Just curious what you're referring to here - Nylander is currently on his ELC, and has never signed any other NHL contract. When did he bet on himself, and how did he lose?
I would think Willy upped his stock this year - Didn't see that big increase in his scoring, but his work at 5v5 was much improved, he was missing his Center for 20 games, and he even got a better look down the middle himself.Probably means he could have extended last summer (like Ehlers).
I don't think he lost tho. Last year or this year, he's still probably getting a similar contract.
I dunno I think Marner is going to have a monster season.https://www.tsn.ca/video/dreger-pre...l-be-around-11m-marner-not-far-behind~1415688
Dreger says Marner's camp might be pushing for 9M depending on what Matthews does which is absolutely ridiculous imo. If he want's to make that money, he gets over a ppg and pushing 90+ points. That would be an awful contract if he doesn't. There's only so much you can gamble on potential.
If Marner has a monster season no Leafs fan would complain about that. However for him to be considered asking for $9 million he would need to put up the same numbers Leon Draisaitl did during the 2016-2017 season which was 29 goals, 48 assists and 77 points. That got him a contract worth $8.5 million.I dunno I think Marner is going to have a monster season.
Probably means he could have extended last summer (like Ehlers).
I don't think he lost tho. Last year or this year, he's still probably getting a similar contract.
Just curious what you're referring to here - Nylander is currently on his ELC, and has never signed any other NHL contract. When did he bet on himself, and how did he lose?
Worth noting that Mirtle/Siegel on a recent podcast notes that the Nylander camp was open to a new contract last summer but the Leafs opted to wait.
I’d agree that his contract situation likely wasn’t negatively impacted by last season too
I honestly don't get why people are so scared of bridge deals.
you have 7 years of control.
3 ELC
2 RFA no Arb
2 RFA with Arb
use it to your advantage. heck. structure you contract (if you must give them a llong contract) pay them in a ladder.
Look at what happened when P.K. Subban signed that 2 year bridge deal with Montreal. Forgetting about the reasons why they traded him which had nothing to do with his next contract, he won the Norrs Trophy the year he signed that bridge contract and eventually got that 8 year, $9 million contract.The advantage of the bridge deal is that it can potentially lead to the team having the player locked up for a longer period, and obviously gives the team more cap flexibility in the short term.
The risk of course is if the player performs well (ie increases their scoring rate around 10-20 + points on average a season), it can cost upwards of 2+ million more on an AAV to lock them up. And if you think of that player as a long term core player, thats definitely a negative.
What will be interesting is if NHL stars start a copy their NBA counterparts and start going for huge money short term deals like one or two your contracts which would allow them to keep re-up in their salary rate as the cap rises.
Look at what happened when P.K. Subban signed that 2 year bridge deal with Montreal. Forgetting about the reasons why they traded him which had nothing to do with his next contract, he won the Norrs Trophy the year he signed that bridge contract and eventually got that 8 year, $9 million contract.
Worth noting that Mirtle/Siegel on a recent podcast notes that the Nylander camp was open to a new contract last summer but the Leafs opted to wait.
I’d agree that his contract situation likely wasn’t negatively impacted by last season too
The advantage of the bridge deal is that it can potentially lead to the team having the player locked up for a longer period, and obviously gives the team more cap flexibility in the short term.
The risk of course is if the player performs well (ie increases their scoring rate around 10-20 + points on average a season), it can cost upwards of 2+ million more on an AAV to lock them up. And if you think of that player as a long term core player, thats definitely a negative.
What will be interesting is if NHL stars start a copy their NBA counterparts and start going for huge money short term deals like one or two your contracts which would allow them to keep re-up in their salary rate as the cap rises.
Agreed if you are just coming off your 3 year entry and think you deserve 8, 9 mil but are not willing to bet on yourself and take a bridge year so you can sign a bigger contract after the bridge deal expires, kinda sends a message that you don't think you are going to improve.
If I'm Nylander or Marmer, I'm pulling a Subban all day every day.