This is the really scary thing. What if the team wins despite his coaching? Will management recognize that he has no system and the players are just doing what they want? If they do fire him, will the experience of winning without a real coach lead some players to believe they don't need a coach? How hard will the new guy have to fight to get control of the room?
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This is the really scary thing. What if the team wins despite his coaching? Will management recognize that he has no system and the players are just doing what they want? If they do fire him, will the experience of winning without a real coach lead some players to believe they don't need a coach? How hard will the new guy have to fight to get control of the room?
broinwhyteridge
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How would we know that the team is winning "despite the coaching"? Because some fans don't like his line combinations? If fans don't like (or understand) his system? Did the mediocre Carolina teams that went to the Finals and the Third Round win "despite" having Maurice behind the bench?
Board Bard
Dane-O-Mite
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I'm going to be open minded about Maurice. If indeed this team has been in tank-mode, I don't think we should decapitate the coach for it.
Tabula rasa, show us what you can do. No excuses.
EDIT: And just to be clear, I don't know if "tank" is the correct phrase. I'm definitely not saying that he went all out to lose. It's just that some of the decisions that were made were kind of obviously stupid (except if the idea was to draft well).
Like if this was boxing, and you want your guy to go down, you don't tell him "go out and lose". That would be detrimental to the culture of your team. You just break his legs and tell him to fight his heart out.
Tabula rasa, show us what you can do. No excuses.
EDIT: And just to be clear, I don't know if "tank" is the correct phrase. I'm definitely not saying that he went all out to lose. It's just that some of the decisions that were made were kind of obviously stupid (except if the idea was to draft well).
Like if this was boxing, and you want your guy to go down, you don't tell him "go out and lose". That would be detrimental to the culture of your team. You just break his legs and tell him to fight his heart out.
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ERYX
'Pegger in Exile
It seems that around here, Maurice is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't and the players get a free pass. If the team struggles, it's because Maurice is a bad coach. If the team does well, the team is "winning despite the coaching". There's no way Maurice can win.
Personally, I think he's a decent to good coach who has, as you say, done well with some pretty mediocre Carolina teams, coached a terribad Toronto team, and a Jets team with league-bottom goaltending. I'm keeping an open mind to see how he does this season with a strong roster of skaters, and a goalie tandem that looks like it will be a significant improvement over what the Jets have had to this point of Maurice's tenure.
As I side note, I wonder who will become the scapegoat if Maurice is fired at some point, but things don't change?
Again, I personally think the Jets will have a good season. I liked what Maurice did with the team his first two years and if does that again, with this roster which is an improvement over those seasons, we're in for a fun run. Hopefully things will lighten up around here a bit as a result. It's a pretty oppressive atmosphere currently.
nobody important
the pessimist returns
If they struggle out of the gate this is all on coaching. Maurice, Huddy and goalie coach can't avoid blame forever....if this hugely talented team underachieves it will be because of poor line usage, and refusal to deal with the penalty issues of Buff, Perrault, etc. I have watched too many PoMo coached games to believe he won't overplay Hendricks, Lowry, Tanev etc....when Petan, Dano, and even Copp could bring a more contemporary NHL game.
broinwhyteridge
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Channelcat
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I can't find the fire Maurice thread, but it needs to happen now. I've watched a ton of NHL hockey, but this waste of talent. It will be unprecedented.
Cleatus
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The longer he's with the Jets, the worse this is going to get. No idea how management thinks his special teams are acceptable when they're OHL caliber at best.
DudeWhereIsMakar
Bergevin sent me an offer sheet
I had blockbuster movies more overdue than Paul Maurice's time here.
CorgisPer60
Barking at the net
So, what kind of cake will be at the party that celebrates him moving into first place for the most losses ever recorded by a coach? I mean, when second place all-time losing and third place all time losing both have multiple Stanley Cups, maybe there's something wrong.
broinwhyteridge
Registered User
Any old cake will be fine, just have to make sure to drop it on the floor before presentation.
Cleatus
Registered User
Losing the cake before the presentation would be much more fitting in this instance.
I think the length of Maurice's extension will influence the time at which he is fired. a 1 - year extension probably only buys him until early to mid-November if the team is under .500. However, I think a 2 -year extension or longer probably buys him until near the end or the actual end of the season. Obviously, other variables have to be taken into account (ie. open player revolt, a team well under .500 say 5 or more games below) but if the team is flirting around the .500 mark for the majority of the season he will stick for the duration or near duration of 17-18.
Maukkis
EZ4ENCE
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Maurice is one of the few coaches in this league who has the tools to ice three scoring lines with two proven, high quality veterans on each line, and then have a fourth line that has consistently proven itself to be a very effective checking line with very limited offense.
Instead, he is adamant on using two scoring lines and then misusing the rest of the forwards in the roster. In today's NHL, you will not get by if you show that level of incompetence.
Instead, he is adamant on using two scoring lines and then misusing the rest of the forwards in the roster. In today's NHL, you will not get by if you show that level of incompetence.
"Don't worry guys, this team was sucking on purpose."
Yeah, about that...
On the other hand, it wasn't like this game was a complete tire fire (just a partial one). Leafs just played excellent PK and our D was a sieve. On average the Jets have at least two goals after the first.
Yeah, about that...
On the other hand, it wasn't like this game was a complete tire fire (just a partial one). Leafs just played excellent PK and our D was a sieve. On average the Jets have at least two goals after the first.
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cbcwpg
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Paul Maurice:
Games: 1365 ( 11th )
Wins: 596 ( 16th )
Losses: 569 ( 3rd )
Pts: 1392 ( 15th )
Pts %: 0.510 ( 140th )
Games: 1365 ( 11th )
Wins: 596 ( 16th )
Losses: 569 ( 3rd )
Pts: 1392 ( 15th )
Pts %: 0.510 ( 140th )
broinwhyteridge
Registered User
When you put it like that... the whole "100 points of talent led by 70 points of coaching" thing seems pretty accurate.
ERYX
'Pegger in Exile
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think it's a legitimate question, who do we replace him with?
It sounds like people are hoping Alain Vigneault gets canned by NYR, but I don't think we can count on that. Who is currently available that would do a better job than Maurice?
It sounds like people are hoping Alain Vigneault gets canned by NYR, but I don't think we can count on that. Who is currently available that would do a better job than Maurice?
Board Bard
Dane-O-Mite
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I think a more legitimate question is who in the Jets organization is capable of hiring a good coach able to maximize the players? It isn't Chevy. He'll just hire another dinosaur.
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