Dreger: Matt Duchene Mega-thread:Habs, NSH, NYI, OTT inquired - Part III

[EdAVSfan]

The thing is, if we assume the hold up is white, it means that's there has to be a bigger piece involved.

The idea behind the tweet says to me they have a framework and need White included.

I can't imagine a scenario where Joe Sakic has a framework that requires White, without AT LEAST Ceci included.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I don't believe this rumour for a second, but if the sticking point is White, I hope to heck Chabot's not included. It can't be Chabot and White unless it's part of a massive deal for Duchene and someone else. Or if it is, we're really mortgaging future for Duchenre, way too much of the future.

 

[hockeyfish]

Don't worry, we had years of this with ROR. Spanned from his holdout and eventual offer-sheet to his trade two years later.

Not to mention Stastny forever, although that never resulted in a trade (or really had that much legit rumors)

 

[SpezDispenser]

The thing is, if we assume the hold up is white, it means that's there has to be a bigger piece involved.

The idea behind the tweet says to me they have a framework and need White included.

I can't imagine a scenario where Joe Sakic has a framework that requires White, without AT LEAST Ceci included.

Yeah, the wording of the initial tweet could mean he's the centerpiece, or the final piece. If it's the final piece, I hope for Ottawa's sake it's a massive trade that doesn't burn our future to the ground.

Adds some excitement to the Thursday evening, I guess.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I don't believe this rumour for a second, but if the sticking point is White, I hope to heck Chabot's not included. It can't be Chabot and White unless it's part of a massive deal for Duchene and someone else. Or if it is, we're really mortgaging future for Duchenre, way too much of the future.

The avs are more than able to send back a pretty decent defense prospect in the deal.

Duchene - White
Chabot - bigras

Better center for sens, better LHD prospect for colorado

 

[EdAVSfan]

Yeah, the wording of the initial tweet could mean he's the centerpiece, or the final piece. If it's the final piece, I hope for Ottawa's sake it's a massive trade that doesn't burn our future to the ground.

Adds some excitement to the Thursday evening, I guess.

But that's the thing. He can't be the centrepiece. They'd never agree to the rest of the deal if White may not have been available in the first place. It's logical to me that it's the final piece.

 

[Micklebot]

The thing is, if we assume the hold up is white, it means that's there has to be a bigger piece involved.

The idea behind the tweet says to me they have a framework and need White included.

I can't imagine a scenario where Joe Sakic has a framework that requires White, without AT LEAST Ceci included.

Could be something like Ottawa is offering their 1st, Brown, and a couple other prospects (some combination of Dahlen, Chlapik, Jaros, Englund, Perron, Paul, Lazar, ect) and Colorado want's White instead of Brown.

I think that would be a similar offer to what the gave up for Ryan.

 

[Marty Straka]

 

[EdAVSfan]

Could be something like Ottawa is offering their 1st, Brown, and a couple other prospects (some combination of Dahlen, Chlapik, Jaros, Englund, Perron, Paul, Lazar, ect) and Colorado want's White instead of Brown.

I think that would be a similar offer to what the gave up for Ryan.

Again, makes no sense.

Sakic has been adamant about defense. Fixing the defense. Getting a solid 20-24 defensive piece. It's illogical to me to think Sakic is taking a bunch of prospects, not have White or chabot or ceci on the table, and actually consider a deal.

 

[BatVader]

Habs shutout at home by the Isles.
Duchene to Habs incoming.

 

[Foppberg]

Just for the record, I'd trust Eklund over AJ. He's more of a blogger than an insider.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Habs shutout at home by the Isles.
Duchene to Habs incoming.

Ideally, this sens rumour and tweet gets bergevin more nervous. Pretty sure he doesn't want Ottawa getting duchene either when he's actually available and one of the habs biggest needs in over a decade

 

[IranCondraAffair]

The historic price for a 1st line player like Duchene has remained pretty consistent over the years. Varying only a little based on contract status, age, and a few other factors.

1. A lesser roster player.
2. A good prospect
3. A 1st or 2nd.

O'Reilly and McGinn returned: Mikhail Grigorenko (roster player), Nikita Zadorov (good prospect), J. T. Compher, and the 31st pick ( 1st/2nd). Which is very close to the standard return.

That version of a trade involving White would be something like: Lazar/Pageau/etc.. + White + 1st. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Edit: I don't mind a 1st round pick being included, the draft apparently stinks, but if Ottawa has to trade Ceci, White + 1st for Duchene, I'd be expecting another piece coming back to Ottawa. That would be pretty steep, IMO.

 

[SpezDispenser]

But that's the thing. He can't be the centrepiece. They'd never agree to the rest of the deal if White may not have been available in the first place. It's logical to me that it's the final piece.

Or he's the final piece in a massive trade. Like an 'all in' for Ottawa in terms of prospects and assets going for two or even three pieces from Colorado.

 

[Liver King]

Or he's the final piece in a massive trade. Like an 'all in' for Ottawa in terms of prospects and assets going for two or even three pieces from Colorado.

what on earth else do we want from Colorado?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The historic price for a 1st line player like Duchene has remained pretty consistent over the years. Varying only a little based on contract status, age, and a few other factors.

1. A lesser roster player.
2. A good prospect
3. A 1st or 2nd.

O'Reilly and McGinn returned: Mikhail Grigorenko (roster player), Nikita Zadorov (good prospect), J. T. Compher, and the 31st pick ( 1st/2nd). Which is very close to the standard return.

That version of a trade involving White would be something like: Lazar + White + 1st. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Put yourself in Sakics shoes. Now would you do that trade?

 

[Micklebot]

Again, makes no sense.

Sakic has been adamant about defense. Fixing the defense. Getting a solid 20-24 defensive piece. It's illogical to me to think Sakic is taking a bunch of prospects, not have White or chabot or ceci on the table, and actually consider a deal.

I guess, but it makes no sense for Ottawa to move Ceci going into the playoffs. They'd be creating a huge hole.

Chabot and White both being included seems to me like it would be a complete coup for Colorado if they pulled it off, I have a hard time believing the sens would do that.

Maybe the sticking point being white is referring to Ottawa pushing for White instead of Chabot? idk.

Tbh, I never really saw Duchene to Ottawa as a viable trade.

 

[SpezDispenser]

what on earth else do we want from Colorado?

I'm not saying it's realistic, but they could try for both Landeskog and Duchene.

 

[Micklebot]

Put yourself in Sakics shoes. Now would you do that trade?

Presumably he'd say yes as he argued that it's similar value to what Sakic accepted for a similar quality player in O'Reilly.

 

[Foppberg]

The historic price for a 1st line player like Duchene has remained pretty consistent over the years. Varying only a little based on contract status, age, and a few other factors.

1. A lesser roster player.
2. A good prospect
3. A 1st or 2nd.

O'Reilly and McGinn returned: Mikhail Grigorenko (roster player), Nikita Zadorov (good prospect), J. T. Compher, and the 31st pick ( 1st/2nd). Which is very close to the standard return.

That version of a trade involving White would be something like: Lazar/Pageau/etc.. + White + 1st. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Edit: I don't mind a 1st round pick being included, the draft apparently stinks, but if Ottawa has to trade Ceci, White + 1st for Duchene, I'd be expecting another piece coming back to Ottawa. That would be pretty steep, IMO.

Really? If anything I'd expect another piece coming back to us.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Put yourself in Sakics shoes. Now would you do that trade?

If that was the best offer, would I take it or keep Duchene? I'd keep Duchene. If I decided I had to move Duchene and that was my best offer, I would end up taking it.

I ended up editing my post to better reflect the variation in caliber of player that would be available and prevent needless arguments. That said, if I could get White, a 1st rounder, and a decent roster player that is pretty standard for trades.

Edit: Duchene hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Presumably he'd say yes as he argued that it's similar value to what Sakic accepted for a similar quality player in O'Reilly.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

 

[Pacman33]

Presumably he'd say yes as he argued that it's similar value to what Sakic accepted for a similar quality player in O'Reilly.

Also have to take into account that everybody knew oreilly wanted out of colorado and only had one year left of his deal. Duchene is more offensively gifted that oreilly as well. If he gets moved by the deadline than that team get 3 playoffs runs with duchene even if he were to leave in free agency.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Really? If anything I'd expect another piece coming back to us.

I don't know about another piece from Ottawa, but I bet Sakic makes Dorion take Beauchemin, even if the Avs retain a bit.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

What about 3 times?