Player Discussion Matt Beleskey II (12/14 WAIVED)
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100%. Huge problem for years. Massive misread on Jimmy Hayes, Chris Bourque that experiment from Finland and many others.
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Just by going by the Bruins homepage, they have 4 pro scouts
Tom McVie - 23rd season
Adam Creighton - 16th season
Dennis Bonvie - 2nd season
Matt Lindblad - 1st season
I think it's safe to say considering the Bruins lack of success identifying the talents of Pro-level players, McVie and Creighton are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I agree the pro scouting is atrocious, and while we ought to be critical of it specifically, I can already see the narrative where bad trades and signings become the fault of pro scouting vs. the GM. Historically GM's have taken the blame, and I see no reason why that should be any different here. Sweeney is responsible for setting the direction and overseeing its execution, so as he begins to get credit for a revamped pipeline, let's be sure to be equally fair with criticism for the pro level decisions. Those would seem to include trades, signings, negotiations, etc.
Further, it would seem he's been successful at upgrading the amateur scouting and ensuring its quality. Would be nice if he could do that at the pro level so trades and signings don't undermine the good work being done by the amateur group.
Further, it would seem he's been successful at upgrading the amateur scouting and ensuring its quality. Would be nice if he could do that at the pro level so trades and signings don't undermine the good work being done by the amateur group.
With two new guys it's quite possible the remaining long term guys disagreed with past player assessments.
Without knowing who said what when about who it's just a guess.
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4 games 0 points, minus one...I think he's taking up space and wish the bruins would simply give up this lost cause. Hardly ever notice him on the ice.
Sit him now, move him if you can (probably can't with that contract, though). He just doesn't bring anything really positive except for one or two decent hits in a game. He might be a good locker room guy, I don't know, but he's just looked awful for 95% of his ice time so far.
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Continue playing him.
What are the other options? Even if Bergeron is back, Czarnik needs to go (AAAA level player), and between Belesky and Spooner, I'd sit Spooner first.
At least at wing Belesky isn't hurting the team the way Spooner is at center.
And he is skating better, he's more mobile than last year. I just don't know what the magic solution is to get him back to producing the way he did when he first got to Boston.
What are the other options? Even if Bergeron is back, Czarnik needs to go (AAAA level player), and between Belesky and Spooner, I'd sit Spooner first.
At least at wing Belesky isn't hurting the team the way Spooner is at center.
And he is skating better, he's more mobile than last year. I just don't know what the magic solution is to get him back to producing the way he did when he first got to Boston.
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What has he shown that adds value to the roster? PP nope, PK nope, hitting ehhh, energy forward nope, scoring nope, player maker nope, player skating around attempting to keep up with play Yup.
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What the alternative? I've already outlined who needs to be removed from the line-up before he does.
Maybe take him out and insert Vatrano, I'd have no problem with that.
But they need to deal with Czarnik and Spooner first in that order.
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Sit him or AHL him and bring up Cehlarik. He had a good hit last night but can’t touch the puck without turning it over.
Small sample so far this year. I agree he has not looked good. But I think you keep rolling him out for the moment.
If you can't trade him (which is, admittedly, unlikely) you have to remember he'll be a very good fourth-liner - especially if and when the forwards are healthy and he were with (for example) Nash and Acciari.
The problem now is casting him higher up in the line-up. Even as a bigger guy, he's not helping create any space for Spooner - or covering up for him defensively. So he exacerbates the flaws of Spooner. I'd like to suggest flipping Beleskey with Heinen ( who deserves more skilled linemates). but then you'd probably have a line that goes minus-two every game.
Maybe flip him with Schaller for now? TS might help Spooner and Czarnik more than Beleskey. And a fourth line of Beleskey-Kuraly-Heinen could still create a bit of havoc.
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If you can't trade him (which is, admittedly, unlikely) you have to remember he'll be a very good fourth-liner - especially if and when the forwards are healthy and he were with (for example) Nash and Acciari.
The problem now is casting him higher up in the line-up. Even as a bigger guy, he's not helping create any space for Spooner - or covering up for him defensively. So he exacerbates the flaws of Spooner. I'd like to suggest flipping Beleskey with Heinen ( who deserves more skilled linemates). but then you'd probably have a line that goes minus-two every game.
Maybe flip him with Schaller for now? TS might help Spooner and Czarnik more than Beleskey. And a fourth line of Beleskey-Kuraly-Heinen could still create a bit of havoc.
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Don't really care what they do with him, as long as they don't try to force feed him quality offensive minutes. He probably doesn't hurt the team playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line. Regardless, I can't see how he escapes a buyout next summer. He has too much term so that dumping him would be very expensive. It's a shame that Sweeney had to learn the hard way to not overpay mediocre player coming off of a career year with inflated shooting percentage. One would think that this kind of stuff is pretty obvious after over decade of seeing how the cap affects roster building.
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He hasn't looked that bad to me, just isn't producing. I would have Vatrano in there over he or Czarnik. With his cap number they aren't just going to pay him for not playing. Last nights fourth line was so much better than the 39-51-27 line it wasn't even funny. I would sit that entire line once Bergeron and Backes come back and I'd insert Frankie V in there.
That being said big win last night yet of course someone has to find something to be negative about.
That being said big win last night yet of course someone has to find something to be negative about.
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At this point, you can't really do anything but play him. There's too many injuries and guys just aren't ready. No point in stunting someone else's growth in order to get marginally better.
I was a huge advocate of giving up assets to get him to Vegas. Not ideal, but I thought it was necessary. At this point, he's a sunk cost. Once everyone gets healthy, put him on waivers with the small hope that someone claims him. If not, send him to the AHL and see if he can't find his game down there. If nothing else, nice mentor and someone to protect the young guys.
I was a huge advocate of giving up assets to get him to Vegas. Not ideal, but I thought it was necessary. At this point, he's a sunk cost. Once everyone gets healthy, put him on waivers with the small hope that someone claims him. If not, send him to the AHL and see if he can't find his game down there. If nothing else, nice mentor and someone to protect the young guys.
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Yes third line has definitely sucked,Spooner isn't really a good fit for Belesky.
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If Beleskey can be the player, or close to the player the bruins thought he'd be, then he would be a good fit with Krejci. But until then, he's 4th line bound.
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Other than maybe Pasta, has Spooner been a fit for ANYBODY, and even with Pasta I think you need the right LW on that line to make it work.
If there is one common denominator I can gather since Belesky's production went in the tank around March 2016, it's the amount of time he has had Ryan Spooner as his centerman.
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Because the cost to move him isn't something that Don Sweeney is willing to pay. I wouldn't either and I am sure you and 99% of the board wouldn't pay the cost either
I honestly don't think he's been that bad. He's shown a lot of effort and has been pretty physical.
I really don't think he's been that bad either. Obviously his contract is horrendous and he's not worth close to it, but he's been pretty physical and has been skating pretty well. Who else are we going to put in who's going to do better in a 3rd/4th line role? I'd give him some more time and try to find a good line for him. We're stuck with his contract for a few years, if he can hustle, play physical, and pitch in on offense every once in a while, then it's manageable. They won't have a problem benching him if he starts playing poorly, though.
I really don't think he's been that bad either. Obviously his contract is horrendous and he's not worth close to it, but he's been pretty physical and has been skating pretty well. Who else are we going to put in who's going to do better in a 3rd/4th line role? I'd give him some more time and try to find a good line for him. We're stuck with his contract for a few years, if he can hustle, play physical, and pitch in on offense every once in a while, then it's manageable. They won't have a problem benching him if he starts playing poorly, though.
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