Confirmed with Link: Marincin on waivers

[shortfuze]

Which makes the decision of signing him to a 2 year deal really dumb. They really didn't need to sign him to 2 years.

But really at the end of the day, it's about the team and it's a business. If Pickard clears waivers and throughout the season we had the chance to grab a good young goaltender for nothing while our backups can't keep up... it would suck quite a bit.

You might find it dumb but they might have signed him to the contract because they really believe in his abilities.

 

[Morgs]

Also, just out of pure curiosity I looked up who's has the worst goalie season in the past 3 years (over 2000 minutes played)
1. Ben Scrivens - 2014-15 (lol)
2. Calvin Pickard - 2016-17

Prepare yoself

 

[SprDaVE]

You might find it dumb but they might have signed him to the contract because they really. Source in his abilities.

You don't sign journeyman goaltenders like him to more than 1 year for a reason. It was completely unnecessary with the amount of goaltenders available each passing free agency.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

What did I want for Christmas before hearing this? For the Leafs to place Marincin on Waivers. Santa frickin delivered: I literally don't need anything else.

 

[Schenn]

Glad he is gone. He was serviceable for what we needed at the time but this team is onto bigger and better things. Thanks, guy.

 

[zeke]

Better than Polak. Oh wait, at least he brought #grit.

pretty similar to Polak, actually: 28.3toiqoc, 51.7xgf% (+0.2rel)

polak's qualcomp was easier, but his minutes were higher, so it probably balances out.

similarly effective, but polak has the advantage of being RH.

 

[Duke Silver]

Also, just out of pure curiosity I looked up who's has the worst goalie season in the past 3 years (over 2000 minutes played)
1. Ben Scrivens - 2014-15 (lol)
2. Calvin Pickard - 2016-17

Prepare yoself

Colorado last year was the worst team of the salary cap era.

He didn't get much help.

This being said, I don't see a strong case for him being an upgrade on McElhinney.

 

[Morgs]

Colorado last year was the worst team of the salary cap era.

He didn't get much help.

This being said, I don't see a strong case for him being an upgrade on McElhinney.

No, he didn't. But that's factored into the stats I'm looking at.

He just really had a brutal season last year. Young enough for a bounce back though, and he was better than McBackup in both 14-15 And 15-16. Id take the chance.

 

[BlueForever75]

I couldn't agree more with this move. Marincin made me cringe everytime he was close to the puck. If you watched the playoff series against Washington last season he seemed to be on the ice for every goal scored against us. That being said, he wouldn't have been playing had we not lost Polak to injury. People can say Polak is not that good. But he was not our issue last season. I believe having him as your 6-7 dman is not a bad thing. Hes feisty, rough, can hit, is not slow and can clear the front of the net. Something Carrick can use help with on his pairing. Carrick's partner now is a younger clone of Polak. Having Polak around will assist him in the transition to the North American game as well as insurance for the Leafs.

I believe Polak was kept around to see if they could work out a trade with someone for Marincin. The Marincin trade didn't transpire and he was waived to make room for Polak. Polak signing will be announced soon. Watch!!!!

 

[Warden of the North]

It should be noted that just because hes on waivers doesnt mean hes going anywhere.

He may stay on the roster if hes not claimed. Its also possible we recall Rosen so he can practice with the Leafs while at home but send him back and recall Marty for the road trip

 

[Duke Silver]

No, he didn't. But that's factored into the stats I'm looking at.

He just really had a brutal season last year. Young enough for a bounce back though, and he was better than McBackup in both 14-15 And 15-16. Id take the chance.

By approximately 0.003-0.004 in save percentage.

If both goalies played 25 games and saw 30 shots each game, that comes out to roughly 2 less goals allowed for $150k more in salary.

Not enough of a difference to pull the trigger, IMO. Can't see Babs signing on for it either.

 

[orbiter11]

I dont think its all that complicated. Marincin sucks and eats up 1.25 cap. The fact that theres an argument about taking Polak over Marincin is laughable. After last nights game they see that Cyborg is a better player and can handle NHL pressure better then Marincin, now Marincins finally gone. I would give the million dollar savings to Pollack (if hes fully Healthy) and have him as our number 7. Then Pollack can travel with the team until a left handed D goes down.Until then, Rosen and Dermott can get there playing time in the AHL.

 

[Battle Lin]

pickard 2015 and 2016 seasons were better than our backups entire nhl career

 

[Morgs]

By approximately 0.003-0.004 in save percentage.

If both goalies played 25 games and saw 30 shots each game, that comes out to roughly 2 less goals allowed for $150k more in salary.

Not enough of a difference to pull the trigger, IMO. Can't see Babs signing on for it either.

Eh.. if Pickard jumps back to his 2014-2016 form, we have a much better goalie. He's also 25, could get better, and then he could be a talbot/darling/jones type of tradable asset.

I'd take the risk on upside alone.

 

[jrgtml67]

haha, ya in leaf land there are "fans," (in quotation because these people shouldnt be allowed to watch hockey) that dont get not everyone is on the team because they provide offense. We have a ton of guys who do that. I always remember that NYR team that had Theoren Fleury, Drury in his prime, Gomez and others. That team was as all-star as you could get during that era and yet finished last. Even look at Edmonton with Hall, Nuge and etc several years ago yet they couldnt win. Why? Because they didnt have the right role guys. It is like Babcock says, you cant have all elite talent on one line, they all want the puck, so then you sprinkle in forechecking specialists. Our 4th line played extremely well last night, most of their shifts were in the offensive zone. That is exactly what you need.

I think there is something going on here with us and VGK. We suddenly waive Marincin, they waive Pickard. No way they think Subban is that ready yet. The only other thing that makes sense is if we hear we have signed Polak to a 1 year deal. Which is not totally bad. But I would assume he would want to play. Now will Borgman play all 82 games, hard to say. So maybe Polak plays the odd one. But I would think a veteran guy like that wouldnt want to play here and there. I guess we have to wait and see. Though it has been widely reported VGK wants to unload a Dman. Then again our D looks pretty damn good. Guess it depends on the trade. If there is one

 

[Mess]

It should be noted that just because hes on waivers doesnt mean hes going anywhere.

He may stay on the roster if hes not claimed. Its also possible we recall Rosen so he can practice with the Leafs while at home but send him back and recall Marty for the road trip

Just to add to this.

If he clears waivers that means for the next month the Leafs can send him down at any time without waivers again. So all intents and purposes for the next 30 days he would act as a waiver exempt player and go up and down like a yo-yo without any waiver wire issues.

 

[Morgs]

*To be fair, before we traded for Freddy, I thought Pickard was the answer to our goalie problem.

 

[Buds17]

You don't sign journeyman goaltenders like him to more than 1 year for a reason. It was completely unnecessary with the amount of goaltenders available each passing free agency.

I was a bit surprised by the 2 yrs because he was a waiver claim (not that that is unprecendented or anything) but I wonder how much that changed the cap hit, which is certainly a good one. Think - for now at least - they like the dynamic between the vet backup and Andersen, who is still young in terms of time spent being a #1 goalie.

 

[Mess]

By approximately 0.003-0.004 in save percentage.

If both goalies played 25 games and saw 30 shots each game, that comes out to roughly 2 less goals allowed for $150k more in salary.

Not enough of a difference to pull the trigger, IMO. Can't see Babs signing on for it either.

How about this?

Pickard played for Canada as their starting goalie at the last World Championships (where Nylander was MVP) and won Silver with Canada, while posting a 1.49 GAA and .938 sv%.

He won gold with Canada the previous year but played only 2 games in that tournament.

So he is good enough to play for Team Canada.

 

[jrgtml67]

Could be, but why would that be a huge deal. It isnt like the Marlies do not have NHL talent, we saw in the preseason there are quite a few down there that on maybe 10 teams in the league would be on 3rd and 4th lines. I know it doesnt have to mean a trade, just awfully odd that we make that move and VGK does something with Pickard, while it has been widely reported that VGK was going to unload a D player. Also pre expansion draft, and after we were reportedly in big talks with VGK, I guess we shalls see here in next little while. Normally when you waive a guy, and need 23 player roster there is a corresponding move that happens, and happens at the same time, guy down, guy up. I find it hard to believe our management suddenly went "oh, you know what lets send him down and bring a guy up for practice because we can."

 

[ACC1224]

Seems premature IMO, to dump the backup before he's shown he can't handle the job....can't see it.

 

[Mess]

*To be fair, before we traded for Freddy, I thought Pickard was the answer to our goalie problem.

Comes down to IF Freddy went down to injury, who would the Leafs feel more comfortable in net with McBackup or Pickard for an extended time?

Right now Leafs on playing Freddy for 65+ games so anyone can sit on the bench and not play, however in case of injury the situation would change.

 

[ULF_55]

You don't sign journeyman goaltenders like him to more than 1 year for a reason. It was completely unnecessary with the amount of goaltenders available each passing free agency.

McElhinney
Maybe they gave him 2 years so they could demote him.
Would a team want to claim him if they are on the hook for 2 years?

 

[SprDaVE]

McElhinney
Maybe they gave him 2 years so they could demote him.
Would a team want to claim him if they are on the hook for 2 years?

Maybe? I mean he's a fine depth option and I don't really mind him, especially with how solid he was down the stretch for us, but I think we can do better considering his career stats are really not that good.

 

[Morgs]

Comes down to IF Freddy went down to injury, who would the Leafs feel more comfortable in net with McBackup or Pickard for an extended time?

Right now Leafs on playing Freddy for 65+ games so anyone can sit on the bench and not play, however in case of injury the situation would change.

Although Pickard has been the primary one season (and he was brutal), I'd rather see what he would do over a season instead of McBackup.