Confirmed with Link: Maple Leafs Officially Sign Calle Rosen | Also Sign Andreas Borgman.

[hockeywiz542]

 

[frog]

Yeah! Lets trade a 30 minute possession D and a bunch of highly rated forwards for a different 30 minute possession D!!

your out to lunch if you think gardner is a 30 minute defensemen lol. Solid 2nd pairing possesion player. Not a #1 defender

 

[frog]

what?

what lol, you dont think we should improve our defense.

 

[sda]

Bye bye Gardiner... Hello Trouba

This definitely spells the end to Hunwick on the LD though, and I would not be shocked to see Gardiner go as well. If he can get us a top pairing RD, we can find a good LD in FA to play 2LD for a few years (Daley, Kulikov, etc. on a two-year deal; whoever is willing to take it) before giving way to Borgman, Dermott, Rosen, Greenway, Nielsen, etc. down the line.

We definitely aren't moving him for futures like we likely will with JvR or Bozak though (when we hopefully move them). It'd be a similar or greater quality RD or bust.

Why on earth would we get rid of Gardiner and sign Kulikov who is nowhere near as good

 

[pylon17]

How many contracts are we at?

 

[uncleben]

How many contracts are we at?

37 with 8 unsigned RFAs

 

[dominicmoore19]

19 points in 41 games for rosen (23 years)
21 points in 52 games for holm (25 years)
15 points in 45 games for borgman (21 years)

holm stats aren't that great when age is considered.

Holm is more of a shutdown guy so offensive stats are pretty irrelevant when comparing the 3. Am actually higher on Holm than Rosen so was really hoping he was the one being signed, but guess not? Will have to research Borgman and see what he's like.

 

[Fogelhund]

your out to lunch if you think gardner is a 30 minute defensemen lol. Solid 2nd pairing possesion player. Not a #1 defender

Received the top minutes on our team in the playoffs... between 25-29 minutes a game... not 30 minutes. Averaged 28:38 minutes a game.

 

[Jozay]

Received the top minutes on our team in the playoffs... between 25-29 minutes a game... not 30 minutes.

and who else were we supposed to play?

 

[TheCLAM]

This is not a Gardiner thread

 

[Fogelhund]

and who else were we supposed to play?

I provided no commentary, just numbers and facts. Are the numbers I posted incorrect?

 

[Fogelhund]

Rumours that Borgman can, or does play on the Right Side, at least at times... Can one of our Swedish friend confirm that he plays on the right side, and how often, and if he is any better, or worse on that side, than the left side. Thanks.

 

[thewave]

Bergman is so happy right now. He is finally being listened to. What a trooper, organization hires the best Euro scout in the world and never listen to him for years.

 

[Pi]

Rumours that Borgman can, or does play on the Right Side, at least at times... Can one of our Swedish friend confirm that he plays on the right side, and how often, and if he is any better, or worse on that side, than the left side. Thanks.

I thought it was Rosen who has played a bit of RHD?

 

[Antropovsky]

Bergman is so happy right now. He is finally being listened to. What a trooper, organization hires the best Euro scout in the world and never listen to him for years.

Or is this a result of ari vuori... leafs stole him from Detroit and he is head the European scouting for the leafs.

 

[thewave]

Or is this a result of ari vuori... leafs stole him from Detroit and he is head the European scouting for the leafs.

These are the Bergs but it goes through Ari. I think Bergsy is a better scout overall tbh.

 

[Warden of the North]

Borgman seems like the prize here. Younger and higher potential.

 

[Mugzy97]

Received the top minutes on our team in the playoffs... between 25-29 minutes a game... not 30 minutes. Averaged 28:38 minutes a game.

I provided no commentary, just numbers and facts. Are the numbers I posted incorrect?

No but it's slanted because there was multiple overtimes so 28 mins avg goes down quite a bit if you don't count OT

 

[Eye of Ra]

Borgman is a gritty defender with great skating ability, he loves to rush the puck.

Rosen is a smart calm player.

Together they could form a good 3rd pairing.

But imo, Philip Holm is better than this 2.

 

[Fogelhund]

I thought it was Rosen who has played a bit of RHD?

There are several videos on Youtube of Borgman... he does shoot from the Right side in the D zone at times... some of his point shots are pretty good, shoots a lot from there.... Now, there isn't a lot of context with some of these videos... did they switch sides for a one timer, where does he normally play in the D zone....

 

[Drew311]

Borgman is a gritty defender with great skating ability, he loves to rush the puck.

Rosen is a smart calm player.

Together they could form a good 3rd pairing.

But imo, Philip Holm is better than this 2.

Can you give a few NHL comparables to the three defensemen?

 

[PuckMagi]

Gardiner, Rielly, and Zaitsev are the only locks to make the Leafs next year.

Having 3 spots available is pretty good from the perspective of all these prospects. They all get a chance to make the team.

Rielly can also play on the right side... so I wouldn't get too caught up in the left vs. right.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gardiner - Rielly as a top pairing going forward. Zaitsev has shown that he can be a puck moving defender on the second pairing... so that could work.

 

[McMatthews]

Borgman is a gritty defender with great skating ability, he loves to rush the puck.

Rosen is a smart calm player.

Together they could form a good 3rd pairing.

But imo, Philip Holm is better than this 2.

Is it not fair to say that Holm wasn't as good as Borgman or Rosen at the same age?

Holm will turn 26 in December.

Rosen just turned 23.

Borgman will be 22 by the start of the season.

In terms of development, it's probably fair to say both Rosen and Borgman will likely be better than Holm in a couple years.

 

[Warden of the North]

Why are people talking about Holm?

Has any credible source linked us to him?

 

[uncleben]

Borgman seems like the prize here. Younger and higher potential.

He's the one I am most excited for