Managerial merry go round part II
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I'll legitimately never understand how a team goes from the Premier League to the bottom of the Championship in one season. I get players are gonna want to leave to stay in the Prem but you should still have a ton of money to reload your team with players wanting to make the jump that can't find a Premier team to take them and ride them back up.
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According to Paris United, here's the whole short list :
1- Pochettino (PSG link, always said he'd go back one day, blah, blah, blah; but zero successful european campaign so far and this is PSG's goal).
2- Conte (meh, I think he's highly overrated and wants to go back to Italy anyway).
3- Mourinho (please no).
4- Ancelotti (ship has sailed).
5- Villas Boas (WTF?).
6- Gallardo (see #1, I'd prefer Poch).
1- Pochettino (PSG link, always said he'd go back one day, blah, blah, blah; but zero successful european campaign so far and this is PSG's goal).
2- Conte (meh, I think he's highly overrated and wants to go back to Italy anyway).
3- Mourinho (please no).
4- Ancelotti (ship has sailed).
5- Villas Boas (WTF?).
6- Gallardo (see #1, I'd prefer Poch).
Only now are my tears beginning to abate. Is there no patience in football? How dare they treat an English manager so? A fellow who knows the league, after all?
I ask you, can any reasonable judge not look upon his CV and understand that Grayson deserved to be backed for a minimum of, say, twenty-four years?
But alas, the man who allowed Newcastle fans to coin the word, 'relegrayson', exits the Stadium of Unoccupied Pink Seats. (Twenty-six thousand was the alleged attendance the other night, but photographic evidence suggests that if we are to credit that figure, we must believe that the DNA of Wearsiders and Chameleons are above 99% the same).
sunderland have now gone 319 days without winning a home league game. Unless the new stooge can steer the ship away from the rocks quickly, in order to maintain the pretence of a crowd they'll need to borrow the tactics from the climax to the siege of Fort Zinderneuf.
So, to the cherished names of Howard Wilkinson, Mick McCarthy, Sir David Moyes and the greatest of all, Lawrie McMenemy, can be added Simon Grayson.
Last summer, on the internet could be found sunderland fans genuinely saying they'd rather have Grayson managing them than Rafael Benitez. As Rafa would say, 'Fact'.
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blahem
- Jun 8, 2012
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Sunderland have been a disaster for years and you're giving them far too much credit (or at least not appreciating the sort of state a team that fights relegation every year is in) if you expected them to look even remotely competent, never mind be challenging to go straight back up again.
sunderland's summer spend was £1.25 million.
This figure is not unrelated to the fact that they barely have a penny to rub together. Even before demotion last season they hadn't turned a profit in a decade. It's been years since wages didn't eat up at least two-thirds of their income. The debts were mounting. Even when real entities were going to games, their ticket prices meant it wasn't reflected by the receipts.
If you care to, a full account is here: http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/sunderland-all-cats-are-grey.html
Naturally, their fans didn't care about any of this as long as they beat Newcastle, because that is all they care about. And the media, which was variously uninterested, discreetly sympathetic or downright shameless in its towing of the club's official line, did next to nothing to lay bare the reality of the club's plight.
And when you have a shambolically run club whose fans will condone years worth of on-field bilge in exchange for winning two games a year against the team down the road, it's difficult to persuade players to care, or extend themselves. If winning is a habit, so is losing, even when you drop a division.
The Championship isn't a good league in terms of quality, but the season requires you to play eight more games than the EPL, and it feels as though the season lasts forever. Plenty of the clubs have respectable histories, and increasing numbers have money to burn. More foreign managers are arriving at that level, adding new ideas.
And virtually all of these clubs have more ambition than sunderland. Because now it isn't playing Newcastle twice a year, sunderland Association Football Club doesn't have a reason to exist.
Paulie Gualtieri
R.I.P. Tony Sirico
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sabremike
Friend To All Giraffes And Lindy Ruff
I know they are a local rival but seeing a fan of one of the biggest joke clubs in all of world football mocking the incompetence of another club is hilarious.
As Mr. Bennett said, "For what do we live but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
And whenever Newcastle's failings make me sad, I can remind myself that had I been born a sunderland fan, I'd never have seen my club play in European football during my entire lifetime.
Indeed, I'd have suffered the ignominy of watching my club arrogantly reject an invitation to compete in the Intertoto Cup in order to concentrate on the Premier League, then watch our local rivals accept the offered place and qualify for the Champions League twelve months later, while my club finished seventeenth.
Had I been born a sunderland fan (I write 'born'- though 'hatched out of mud' would be a more accurate description- for reasons of brevity) I'd be revering Niall Quinn and Kevin Phillips' strike partnership instead of Peter Beardsley and Andy Cole's.
In my lifetime I'd have seen my club enjoy three top ten finishes in the top flight, none of them higher than seventh.
I would have seen my club play in the third tier of the English game.
Instead of eulogising Alan Shearer as the local boy made good who came home, I'd be lauding Adam Johnson.
So, while in your mind Newcastle and sunderland's standing may be on a par, my practical experience tells me otherwise.
sabremike
Friend To All Giraffes And Lindy Ruff
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
That's slightly lazy of you. Why not research whether you're wrong off your own bat? You may find the experience of increasing your knowledge to be a pleasing novelty.
I hear rumours that if you wade deep enough through the pornography and political propaganda, the internet can be a source of information.
Though personally, I have an old-fashioned fondness for books.
sabremike
Friend To All Giraffes And Lindy Ruff
My apologies as your last major honor was the 1955 FA Cup, so only a 62 year drought. You last won the top flight 90 years ago, so that was the confusion.
sabremike
Friend To All Giraffes And Lindy Ruff
And since I decided to take your advice and do research, I looked up Sunderland. They last won the top flight in 1937, so 80 years of top flight failure for them. They last won a major honor in 1973 (FA Cup), so they are on a 44 year drought (same as my Knicks).
cgf
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BKIslandersFan
F*** off
sabremike
Friend To All Giraffes And Lindy Ruff
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The 1999 MetroStars were coached by Bora Millotinovc but that didn't stop Bild from calling us the worst club in the world (and rightly so I may add).
BKIslandersFan
F*** off
I get Mike Ashley is an awful owner, but surely there are a lot of clubs worse off than Newcastle.
cgf
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Paulie Gualtieri
R.I.P. Tony Sirico
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It's only right to point out that I didn't win the 1955 FA Cup, and I've never won the English top flight either. You see, while Stray Wasp isn't my real name, neither is Newcastle United Football Club, and I've never been employed by them in a footballing capacity. (The fact I wasn't alive in 1955 was a further hindrance to my involvement in proceedings).
Incidentally, I find myself wondering if your source of information was A History of Association Football by the United Kingdom Independence Party, or something.
Newcastle United has won a major European trophy, after all. And before you ask, my participation in that victory was also nil.
