Confirmed with Link: Lehner and Legwand to BUF for 21st overall

[Cosmix]

Fixed.

P.S. Don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out Lehner!

Well maybe Yes, to fix with Borowiecki in for Cowen. Personally I wish Lehner well and hold no negative feelings towards him at all. I hope The player they got with the pick turns out to be a solid two way hockey player, perhaps a 20 goals,40 to 50 point player in the future.

 

[Sens Rule]

We killed on the Lehner trade. Lack and Talbot are both better... At least last year... Far better and we got magnitudes more for Lehner... Because we made the first trade probably.

Good timing Murray and co.!

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

This would be more impactful if the guy we didn't just trade missed a quarter of a season with a severe head injury.

And last I checked, Anderson is not our goalie of the future, Hogberg and O'Connor are.

The poster you quoted was obviously referring to next year, not some hypothetical future.

 

[Sun God Nika]

We killed on the Lehner trade. Lack and Talbot are both better... At least last year... Far better and we got magnitudes more for Lehner... Because we made the first trade probably.

Good timing Murray and co.!

Or you know Lehners upside is far higher than Talbots and Lacks but you wouldn't understand it judging from some of the stuff you have been saying about Lehner this past year.

 

[Xspyrit]

Some people on this board have been so dumb lately, and not just Sens fans.

The amount of times I heard people say Murray screwed himself by signing 3 goalies and how it was terrible asset management...

This is so awesome

lol... I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything HF anymore, but... Really?

It was more of a joke, because we know Melnyk is cheap. But i agree with you. I think it is time to spend and try to go further in the playoff.

Cheap or just a wise businessman?

The return was below value for Ben while the 1st in a very deep draft is above value for Lehner.

Uh... Conacher was almost Rookie of the Year in the NHL and a 4th rounder on top of that

Sens were absolutely stoked with the value we got in the Bishop deal and HFers around the NHL were also saying the Sens fleeced the Bolts.

I think Legwand is going to be a nice complimentary piece in Buffalo, he gets a bad rep. He struggled with the Sens but wasn't nearly as bad as people made him out to be.

Reminded me of the Gonchar hate and it took at least 2 years and even more to finally be appreciated. I'm glad for Legwand because maybe he will receive less irrational hate

No definitely not a Legwand type, but a strong 2way forward with experience and ability to help the young guns stay focused and driven.

Which is Legwand's definition, just that he wasn't liked by a big portion of the HF Sens crowd

Greening has sucked since early 2012. I can't see that turning around.

He had a 0.45 PPG when he had his 37 pts season... In 2012-13, he was at 0.40 PPG

So in reality, he started "sucking" in late 2013, and not early 2012 like you stated.

I hope he never plays for the Sens again, but I just hate false statements.

Still a terrible trade regardless.

Edit: talking about Bishop.

We got Bishop for a 2nd round pick, used him for 2 seasons and got Conacher and a 4th back (which turned into Lindberg)

Let's relax a bit with the use of the word "terrible"

Sorry if it's been asked already - from a Buffalo fan, was Legwand at least serviceable last season? Can he be a good 4C at this stage of his career?

Still fast?

Lost a lot of speed in the last few years but very intelligent player with a lot of poise. He will be a good mentor for young players. With Ottawa's depth at center exploding, Sens didn't really need him for the duration of his contract, particularly at that price. He was buried on the 4th line. Should be #2 or #3 in Buffalo

We'll see how Lindberg does, but Conacher scoring some big goals means **** all for the trade, he's not even an NHL player.

That has to be one the most stupid arguments I have ever read. Congrats for raising the bar

 

[OttawaSenators11]

That has to be one the most stupid arguments I have ever read. Congrats for raising the bar

He's crap player who having trouble finding an NHL job today and contributed very little besides a couple goals in the playoffs while Bishop is an contributing good goalie as it stands today.
Perhaps i was getting a little carried away with the ' terrible' word, because we haven't seen what Lindberg is capable of at the NHL level.

Looking forward to your over positive hyperbole comeback on how great and valuable Conacher was for this organization for exactly 2 games and how that means so MUCH in the thick of our overall return, lol

 

[Xspyrit]

He's crap player who having trouble finding an NHL job today and contributed very little besides a couple goals in the playoffs while Bishop is an contributing good goalie as it stands today.
Perhaps i was getting a little carried away with the ' terrible' word, because we haven't seen what Lindberg is capable of at the NHL level.

Looking forward to your over positive hyperbole comeback on how great and valuable Conacher was for this organization for exactly 2 games and how that means so MUCH in the thick of our overall return, lol

You obviously don't get it.

I don't have time left, but try to think when you're trading for a goalie.

Let's say you gave up a 3rd round pick for a depth goalie before the playoffs and your starter and back up are injured and you have to play that guy in a game 7. He goes in and plays a very solid game and WINS it for your team. You move on to the NEXT round...

The following year, he fades away and is out of the NHL very fast.

That trade is disastrous?

Conacher is one of the biggest reasons we won that series against Montreal. That tying goal was super damn clutch, with a few seconds left. Had the Sens lost that game, maybe it would have been a totally different story

 

[Sens Rule]

Or you know Lehners upside is far higher than Talbots and Lacks but you wouldn't understand it judging from some of the stuff you have been saying about Lehner this past year.

And Lehner had the Murray factor of him so well know to Buffalo GM. Regardless I know most do not share my opinion of Lehner's ability, I don't think anyone expected the large disparity of return between Lehner vs Lack and Talbot.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

You obviously don't get it.

I don't have time left, but try to think when you're trading for a goalie.

Let's say you gave up a 3rd round pick for a depth goalie before the playoffs and your starter and back up are injured and you have to play that guy in a game 7. He goes in and plays a very solid game and WINS it for your team. You move on to the NEXT round...

The following year, he fades away and is out of the NHL very fast.

That trade is disastrous?

Conacher is one of the biggest reasons we won that series against Montreal. That tying goal was super damn clutch, with a few seconds left. Had the Sens lost that game, maybe it would have been a totally different story

If it was Bishop for Conacher and his playoff series straight up it would be terrible trade.

Is that really significant - When you think of the overall package? Usually when you trade for someone young , you would like for them to contribute for the longer term, no? You and your extremely positive outlook is grasping at straws trying to convince yourself that because of 6 games played in the post-season that takes away something meaningful from a potentially terrible trade depending how Lindberg turns out.

 

[21]

Fantastic trade for Lehner, I'm so happy for him!!! :-D

1. He now finally gets the chance to become a number one goalie.
2. Buffalo is without any doubt an improving team, young and promising.
3. He wasn't going to get #1 duties in Ottawa in a foreseeable future, especially not after Hammonds huge success last season.

 

[Back in Black]

The Lehnersson era is over! Can't wait to see him in a Buffalo jersey!

 

[Senateurs]

The most important thing here is the fact that Alfie gets his house back.

You obviously don't get it.

I don't have time left, but try to think when you're trading for a goalie.

Let's say you gave up a 3rd round pick for a depth goalie before the playoffs and your starter and back up are injured and you have to play that guy in a game 7. He goes in and plays a very solid game and WINS it for your team. You move on to the NEXT round...

The following year, he fades away and is out of the NHL very fast.

That trade is disastrous?

Conacher is one of the biggest reasons we won that series against Montreal. That tying goal was super damn clutch, with a few seconds left. Had the Sens lost that game, maybe it would have been a totally different story

Great example!

At the time,Anderson was having a Vezina like season and Lehner was in his first full NHL season, two years removed from being the Calder MVP. Of course Bishop was going to be traded.

Let's not forget both teams were trading career AHL'ers with unknown potential, both over 25 yo. Conacher was top scorer of his team. It looked like a very good deal for Ottawa.

Obviously, Tampa won the trade because they needed a #1 goaltender and got it. At least we got one asset that was instrumental in winning the only playoffs series this organization won since 07, and a draft pick that looks very promising.


As for the Lehner trade, I'm scared that the same thing could happen. Lehner becomes a beast in our own division in front of a team with O'Reilly and Eichel as their 1-2 punch. Having said that, I like the trade. At least we got something compared to the other teams with a goalie on the trade market.

 

[Boud]

I think Lehner's going to be a starter for a long time in Buffalo but I'm happy we'll have something to show for in White.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

If it was Bishop for Conacher and his playoff series straight up it would be terrible trade.

Is that really significant - When you think of the overall package? Usually when you trade for someone young , you would like for them to contribute for the longer term, no? You and your extremely positive outlook is grasping at straws trying to convince yourself that because of 6 games played in the post-season that takes away something meaningful from a potentially terrible trade depending how Lindberg turns out.

Made a lot of sense at the time. Go find and read the threads from when that trade happened, most Sens fans were ecstatic.

Hindsight is 20/20

 

[mcnorth]

Made a lot of sense at the time. Go find and read the threads from when that trade happened, most Sens fans were ecstatic.

Hindsight is 20/20

Foresight is 20/20. If you didn't like the deal at the time you're what we call 'right.'

Sick of the hindsight is 20/20 line, like that is some sort of argument when someone is wrong and someone else is now proven right.

 

[Coco the Monkey*]

Foresight is 20/20. If you didn't like the deal at the time you're what we call 'right.'

Sick of the hindsight is 20/20 line, like that is some sort of argument when someone is wrong and someone else is now proven right.

It's irrelevant. Ottawa was going to lose bishop for nothing. At least they got something. He wouldn't be our starter even if we hostile had him today,

 

[jbeck5]

Foresight is 20/20. If you didn't like the deal at the time you're what we call 'right.'

Sick of the hindsight is 20/20 line, like that is some sort of argument when someone is wrong and someone else is now proven right.

Agreed. People that use that are reaching big time.

Like when i was so pissed we drafted lee over kopitar or staal...Yet i have people mentioning hindsight to me. It basically means " i was too stupid to call it at the time, you're right and im wrong" so take it as a compliment.

 

[mcnorth]

It's irrelevant. Ottawa was going to lose bishop for nothing. At least they got something. He wouldn't be our starter even if we hostile had him today,

That's simply not true. We had many options and there were lots of ways it could have played out. Hell, we could have Lehner in the AHL right now in some parallel universe.

 

[Smash88]

That's simply not true. We had many options and there were lots of ways it could have played out. Hell, we could have Lehner in the AHL right now in some parallel universe.

There's no way Lehner was going to the AHL. We would have lost him for nothing at that point.

Sure there were other ways of playing it, if we had it our way for all of it. Doesn't work that way unfortunately.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Foresight is 20/20. If you didn't like the deal at the time you're what we call 'right.'

Sick of the hindsight is 20/20 line, like that is some sort of argument when someone is wrong and someone else is now proven right.

Obviously the trade didn't work out who is saying that it did? It made a lot of sense at the time. Conacher looked like a player, Bishop was the odd man out according to the staff.

It's easy to look back on things years later and judge moves, a lot harder to make them at the time.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Agreed. People that use that are reaching big time.

Like when i was so pissed we drafted lee over kopitar or staal...Yet i have people mentioning hindsight to me. It basically means " i was too stupid to call it at the time, you're right and im wrong" so take it as a compliment.

Meh, if u need to remind people that you were right about something on the internet, power to you i guess.

 

[Xspyrit]

I am still a bit bummed that Lehner got traded... What am I going to do his Rookie Cards Collection? Hmmm, Buffalo fans might be interested

If it was Bishop for Conacher and his playoff series straight up it would be terrible trade.

Is that really significant - When you think of the overall package? Usually when you trade for someone young , you would like for them to contribute for the longer term, no? You and your extremely positive outlook is grasping at straws trying to convince yourself that because of 6 games played in the post-season that takes away something meaningful from a potentially terrible trade depending how Lindberg turns out.

You still don't get it, and it's not even about being positive. I'm not even what you can call a "positive person" in life and I'm working everyday on trying to be more positive because that's how you achieve better results. No, the difference is I might not be a cynical zombie who can only see 1 side of the medal because I have the discernment to see both sides of the medal.

NO ONE said that trade was a "WIN" (I don't even see trades as wins or losses but more as "hockey trades", it's you people that have that kind of fascination for HF porn); but it's really not as bad as some people try to make it sound when they use the words "terrible" and "disastrous"

It really sucks that Conacher faded away promptly but the only REAL cost in all this was a 2nd rounder, who turned into Bishop, then turned into Conacher and a 4th (which turned into Lindberg)

AND, you can only play 1 goalie at a time in nets. We have now Anderson, Hammond, O'Connor, Hogberg and Driedger. Just traded Lehner because we still had too many goalies...

In what world is it "disastrous"? Sorry, but for me being cynical is being stupid. You can disagree if you want, it doesn't change anything.

Anyway, my friend "Senateurs" said it best :

Obviously, Tampa won the trade because they needed a #1 goaltender and got it. At least we got one asset that was instrumental in winning the only playoffs series this organization won since 07, and a draft pick that looks very promising.

Let's not forget both teams were trading career AHL'ers with unknown potential, both over 25 yo. Conacher was top scorer of his team. It looked like a very good deal for Ottawa.

Yeah, I remember people were ecstatic about that trade around here so it's very concerning to see the hypocrisy now. Bishop and his "gigantic 5-hole" were heavily criticized when playing for Ottawa and people originally whined that BM gave a 2nd rounder to get him... Do we need to dig the threads? Yeah, always the same story around here, people writing checks that their ass can't cash.

Made a lot of sense at the time. Go find and read the threads from when that trade happened, most Sens fans were ecstatic.

Hindsight is 20/20

Funny that you wrote that because I just used the same term and I had not read your post when I wrote it down. Means it's pretty accurate

 

[Icelevel]

It's irrelevant. Ottawa was going to lose bishop for nothing. At least they got something. He wouldn't be our starter even if we hostile had him today,

Bishop was an rfa. He played enough games.

 

[Step]

Still happy.

 

[SixthSens]

Good deal.

Buffalo paid the price for acquiring a potential number one goaltender from a team within their division, while we managed to dump $3M in cap at the same time.