Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 5-2

[Nithoniniel]

I actually thought it should have counted but I'll admit that I have no clue what goalie interference is anymore. The contact seemed to have no impact on the goal itself. A good goal and a penalty seems about right.

You miss something. They call a penalty on the initial contact, which means that play is blown immediately dead. The goal then is after the whistle, which means the goal never happened at all. That's why it was not possible to challenge either.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Lots of suggestions that Hainsey needs rest time due to PK TOI.
I only EVER played goal - so, someone weigh in here.

Is PK TOI as strenuous as regular TOI? I thought I remembered Babcock suggesting (indirectly) that he wasn't worried about Hainsey's TOI because a lot of it was PK.

I don't know either, but I have heard that the sports science division had arrived at that conclusion, that's why they use Hainsey and Polak that way.

 

[airgordo]

Anyone who knows anything about anything knows that is a goal.

 

[ottomaddox]

Leivos done it all through you just haven't noticed.

What? Are you referring to another Leivo ?

He hasn't been playing and when he's playing he's mostly invisible.

 

[Heritage]

Great win against one of the strongest teams in the league!

Andersen played great, and we banked another two points.

Nothing better then a Saturday night win with Jim Hughson announcing!

 

[ottomaddox]

Should the Dumoulin goal have counted?

I am on the fence, but it does look like he decks Andersen in the head with his elbow before he puts the puck in.

 

[zeke]

What? Are you referring to another Leivo ?

He hasn't been playing and when he's playing he's mostly invisible.

all he does is score points and make chances, even though he never gets more than 4th line icetime.

the hate some people have for him is bizarre.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Hainsey was lights out on the PK how is he in the bad category?

6 minutes short handed. We went 3/3 on the kill and Hainsey was on for 5 minutes and 45 seconds......

Call it like you see it?

He also has Nylander in the bad category after going head to head with Malkin and Crosby last night and not giving up a goal

 

[Muston Atthews]

Polak had a really good game in my opinion. Was throwing borderline hits on Crosby all game. He was noticeable in all the right ways this game

 

[Warden of the North]

There’s no way Brown should be playing over Leivo at this point. I know it’s not going to change but we have enough fast PKers that we don’t need his awful hands on the PP.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
JVR-Bozak-Leivo/Kapanen
Komarov-Plekanec-Leivo/Kapanen

Moore, Brown

Without an excellent PK last night we likely dont win.

So, that completely derails your point.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Turned the game on part way through to see Leivo's beauty pass to set up a goal
Still rooting for the guy and even if he doesn't get regular shifts, he's a great back-up option in the playoffs

Nice to see Polak in Malkin's grill

 

[VanW27]

However the fact that Button doesn't know you can't challenge the goal because of the penalty call is what I can't understand him not knowing that rule.

To be fair to Button, the refs didn't even understand that last season and it's there job to know the rules..

 

[Liminality]

Without an excellent PK last night we likely dont win.

So, that completely derails your point.

I still think people underestimate just how important it was to shut down the #1 PP in the league. The Penguins are 26% on the PP and the PK unit and Andersen did a wonderful job. Could have been an entirely different game if they scored on one of the three straight PP's they got.

 

[ottomaddox]

all he does is score points and make chances, even though he never gets more than 4th line icetime.

the hate some people have for him is bizarre.

Like who?

 

[sda]

this crap is ridicules, you contact the goalie when you are in the blue and then proceed to score THE GOAL SHOULDN'T COUNT. How hard is it for all these refs/coaches/fans to interpret. They got this one right, but because they've botched so many other ones there is no consistency to the rule. To me this couldn't be any more simple to fix. Contact? In the blue? goal immediately after? if all 3 criteria are met, goal is off. How hard is that to interpret.

Under the new rules players have to avoid the goalie at all costs. Driving the net is not permitted like it used to be. The new hockey is vastly different than what it used to be

 

[Liminality]

Last season a goal similar to what Hainsey did was called back against the Leafs.

So Babcock challenges the goalie interference and not the goal. Why didn't the Pens do that last night? I thought if the puck was ruled no goal on the ice that it couldn't be challenged or something

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

If Button says "it's a goal", that's all the proof I need to know that "it should NOT be a goal".

I don't see Hainsey pushing Dumo into Andersen. Not saying it should have been a penalty, but....the goalie has the right to move in his crease unimpeded. Dumo hitting Andersen's head, accidentally or not, impeded Andersen's movement. By any definition of goalie interference.....no goal is the correct call

 

[The CyNick]

Should the Dumoulin goal have counted?

I am on the fence, but it does look like he decks Andersen in the head with his elbow before he puts the puck in.

Most of the guys on the Rogers broadcast missed the boat on the call. Kypper was especially bad when discussing it. They kept looking at it as a goal review type call. Under that scenario, I would say it's a goal. The knock on Andy didn't prevent him from making the save. However, the ref called a penalty for goalie interference, so as soon as the player touched the puck, the play is dead. It would be no difference if the Pitt player has an open cage and behind the play another Pitt player committed a penalty, the play would die as soon as the puck was touched. Doesn't matter how whether or not it would have impacted the goal itself.

The real discussion is should it have been a penalty. My feeling is if a goalie get elbowed in the head in the crease, that's a penalty. If the Pitt player had been pushed in, shouldn't have been a penalty, but he took a dumb angle to the net and smoked the goalie in the head. Player needs to be accountable for that move.

 

[ottomaddox]

It's so hard to hate on refs who have to make split second decisions. He should prioritize the goalies' safety. What did happen in the play was Dumoulin elbowed Andersen.

Good on us for having a call go our way.

Revel in it Leaf fans.

 

[francis246]

It should of, everyone in the building thought it was a good call. But you know what, happy a call went I our favour. The officiating was brutal.

 

[Warden of the North]

I still think people underestimate just how important it was to shut down the #1 PP in the league. The Penguins are 26% on the PP and the PK unit and Andersen did a wonderful job. Could have been an entirely different game if they scored on one of the three straight PP's they got.

Agreed.

I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me.

Some people just want full blown offense every game but expect the team to also not allow any goals against, I guess.

That said, I dont think Leivo is a better offensive player then Brown, all things considered.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Like who?

There have been some who have expressed that they hope to see him absolutely fail, which is ridiculous to say about someone on your own team. As for less extreme, and much more common, examples, just look at some of the PGTs after games where he was quiet. There's a lot of people who take some weird pleasure in that, for no other reason than that they dislike that others like him.

It's absurd.

 

[ToneDog]

Most of the guys on the Rogers broadcast missed the boat on the call. Kypper was especially bad when discussing it. They kept looking at it as a goal review type call. Under that scenario, I would say it's a goal. The knock on Andy didn't prevent him from making the save. However, the ref called a penalty for goalie interference, so as soon as the player touched the puck, the play is dead. It would be no difference if the Pitt player has an open cage and behind the play another Pitt player committed a penalty, the play would die as soon as the puck was touched. Doesn't matter how whether or not it would have impacted the goal itself.

The real discussion is should it have been a penalty. My feeling is if a goalie get elbowed in the head in the crease, that's a penalty. If the Pitt player had been pushed in, shouldn't have been a penalty, but he took a dumb angle to the net and smoked the goalie in the head. Player needs to be accountable for that move.

Question is whether he was pushed into Andy and it looked like that to me. If the ref had not called goalie interference, it should have been a goal. Sometimes the bear eats you and sometimes you eat the bear. On that call we ate the bear

 

[TakeTheBody]

Arguing goaltender interference is like arguing politics. No one knows the right answer. Maybe because there no longer is a right answer.

 

[Drytoast]

Looks like he clearly elbows Andersen in the head on his way across.