Some fans want to put a lot of weight on the erratic lockout shortened results claiming Bobby Ryan and Clarkson are equals. I just used a single example to emphasize the error of their ways.
I showed that over the previous 300+ games prior to the lockout Ryan & Kessel have similar goal production.
Are you expecting Ryan and Clarkson to be comparables this season?
Exactly. It's the same reason why I wouldn't compare Kessel to Ryan before. Kessel was a #1 option and the main catalyst in his offense. Ryan was a #3 option with two of the best offensive producers in the league.
2012-13 .. Jiri Tlusty 23 goals .. Kessel 20 goals
How accurate are the anomalies of lockout shorten seasons, and much weight should be placed on them to make conclusions?
The smaller the sample set the more inaccurate the results, so full seasons under normal conditions are more accurate.
I expect the based on my 4 year projection of full seasons that Bobby Ryan and Phil Kessel potentially should be relatively close in goals. As the difference from 2008-09 - 2011-12 was 5 games played and 4 goal difference over 4 years of results.
Ryan and Clarkson are not similar style players, however Kessel is.
Randy really is a hard ass and I loves that too. Nobody can **** with us now, Our team is the hardest. Carlyle is one of the best coaches in the world. He has great attributes. Plays with the toughest.
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If kessel can score a PPG with bozak. Than when kadri fully develops in a couple years. I wouldn't be surprised if kessel reaches 95 + points in the future. Heck he has a chance to get 90 points this year.
Ryan is a good player. But I wouldn't call him elite. Kessel is in a whole new planet. Kessel has developed a compete level something I am not sure ryan has. Plus kessel along with an elite shot has gotten a elite playmaking game. Kessel IMO is one of the elite players in the game. Heck of a talent.
Remember in the draft. Teams were saying some might pick him over Sid the Kid. It makes sense. Both have great shots and elite playmakers. The one thing Crosby has over him is leadership and heart. Kessel is a good leader in his own self. However Crosby is just much better.
IMO, kessel is really underappreciated in Leafs nation. At least he doesn't care what others say about him.
One thing? Are you sure about that..... Lol.
usually looking at numbers from 3+ seasons ago deceives more than it enlightens, from my experience.
Last 2 years:
W P.Kessel (26): 130gms, 57gls, 134pts, 28ht, 44bk, 19:57 (82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 18ht, 28bk)
W J.Lupul (30): 82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 141ht, 32bk, 18:07 (82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 141ht, 32bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 128gms, 42gls, 87pts, 193ht, 53bk, 17:43 (82gms, 27gls, 56pts, 124ht, 34bk)
W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 91gms, 29gls, 56pts, 92ht, 33bk, 17:15 (82gms, 26gls, 51pts, 83ht, 30bk)
W D.Clarkson (29): 128gms, 45gls, 70pts, 253ht, 25bk, 16:50 (82gms, 29gls, 45pts, 162ht, 16bk)
in terms of more recent relevant performance, the most reasonable leaf comparison for Bobby would be fellow 2nd overall pick VanRiemsdyk.
There's a chance (though far from a guarantee) that Bobby gets back to his peak 70pt type production again, though....but that still puts him well behind the likes of Kessel and Lupul who have both been PPG+ the past couple of years, while a guy like JVR has a chance to get into that 70pt range, too.
I would hate to see your predictions on Lupul when you guys got him.
His stats prior to the indicate he shoud be a 45 point player
He has been PPG for 100 games, not the past few years
I would hate to see your predictions on Lupul when you guys got him.
His stats prior to the indicate he shoud be a 45 point player
He has been PPG for 100 games, not the past few years
Contrary to popular opinion, getting 100 pts in 100 gms is actually pretty hard to do.
I agree, but more like Kessel>>Ryan>>ClarksonI was only arguing with Zeke, who claimed that Ryan was craptastic. I wouldn't have brought Kessel or Clarkson into the discussion otherwise. In my opinion, Kessel is ahead of Ryan. Who is ahead of Clarkson.
I'll argue both of those all day. IMO, though, Kessel>Ryan>>>Clarkson.
Why does he always wear that freaking Red Bull hat?
Why does he always wear that freaking Red Bull hat?