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Don't want Toby back next year unless he's taking an 80+% cut in pay and is okay with sitting in the pressbox. Niku deserves a fair look next season.
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Sorry to disappoint you but it has nothing to do with any patriotism, at least with me. I value players for only what they do on the ice. I don’t for example see Barkov as a top 10 center in the league, I don’t see Armia as a top 6 player unless there is difficulties with injuries, and I don’t see Kapanen mistreated with him having most of his career in the minors so far. I also don’t see Teemu Pulkkinen having an NHL career in any team that the NHL has. I think a real patriot would most probably see all these things differently. But I might think a bit out from the box compared to what are the mainstreams in hockey nowadays. And that means that I value offence and offensive talent much more than defence and mostly defensive players.I think it is time for a few of my fellow finns to be a bit more objective and be less patriotic.
Little and Enstrom have had their ups and downs this season, but we will need their experience now and especially during the playoffs.
Just because it says "suomi finland" on your passport does not make you a better player then the next guy.
Patty has had many games when hes looked unmotivated, slow and lost boardbattles like a little girl, Armia is NOT a tops six forward IMHO, Niku can not possibly be ready for the playoffs based on what you have seen in the sm-liiga.
Calm down guys, I'm proud too but ultimately performance is all that counts not nationality.
I think it is time for a few of my fellow finns to be a bit more objective and be less patriotic.
Little and Enstrom have had their ups and downs this season, but we will need their experience now and especially during the playoffs.
Just because it says "suomi finland" on your passport does not make you a better player then the next guy.
Patty has had many games when hes looked unmotivated, slow and lost boardbattles like a little girl, Armia is NOT a tops six forward IMHO, Niku can not possibly be ready for the playoffs based on what you have seen in the sm-liiga.
Calm down guys, I'm proud too but ultimately performance is all that counts not nationality.
Wow, you've seen Niku play twice in the AHL and you can tell he is better than Enstrom!!!I have seen only two games that Niku played this season in the Moose. He was pretty good in those games at least. Some things for sure still need to become better. Some more intensity with his defending mostly. And sure he could use some more strength. But he was really even surprisingly good with his defending in those games.
And no, I havent said that Toby has been bad this season, although he was pretty much awful last season, but as we all know the whole Jets were worse defensively last season. But on the other hand even if Toby has been quite ok or even occasionally good this season, I don’t still see him as somekind of an amazing defensive player. He is not really irreplaceable, and as I have already mentioned I at least believe that Niku is not as far behind him defensively as some of you seem to believe. I havent though claimed that Niku is necessarily at his level yet, but just not too far away. And I believe that Niku could already offer much more with his offensive skills than what Toby can do offensively. What I just mean is that Niku could probably cover the slight difference with the defensive skills with his better offence.
I do understand that some of you long time Jets fans have unquestionable love for your vets, but when time passes they will not be always as good as you got used to, and there can be young promising guys coming that can already replace some vets with their own strengths. They dont need to be always exactly the same strengths that the vets used to have, if they can offer something else that can seriously help the team.
I would say that Little and Toby should probably be first on the line to be replaced, although they both can offer some good things still, but they have clear weaknesses too. For Toby his biggest weakness is being so damn injury prone, and for Little it is his lack of offence and playmaking for a 2nd line center. He sure can defend well and so can Toby, but they both are way too expensive for the weaknesses that they put on the table. There are younger guys whom could give better value for their salaries, so I’m just really trying to think of what would be best for the team honestly.
Did I say he is better than Toby? I just said the he is not as far defensively, as some of you think, and that he is offensively better, which I’m absolutely sure of anyway. And the most important thing is still that Toby is so much injured that he is pretty much a waste of cap space, with the salary that he has at the moment.Wow, you've seen Niku play twice in the AHL and you can tell he is better than Enstrom!!!
Either he played spectacularly or you are some kind of super-scout ........................................................................................... or you're wrong.
Did I say he is better than Toby?/QUOTE]
i am pretty sure that, a few pages back, you literally say he's as good as Toby.
Did I say he is better than Toby? I just said the he is not as far defensively, as some of you think, and that he is offensively better, which I’m absolutely sure of anyway. And the most important thing is still that Toby is so much injured that he is pretty much a waste of cap space, with the salary that he has at the moment.
Things don’t go in fact like you say now with a veteran loving coach like Maurice. At least if the players are pretty close in quality. Also Maurice wants in these close call situations to school European players a bit to the North American ways better. And honestly I don’t even see anything wrong about it for about a season or so, when it is clearly more like a close call situation like it has anyway been with Niku.If Niku is pretty close to Enstrom defensively, he would be playing with the Jets. I mean seeing as he is so much better offensively...
If you ask me, Niku would be lucky to end up as good, defensively, as Enstrom.
As far as reading your posts, I do but some of them don't make any sense in English. Post #300 for example.