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Very true. Will never be the driving force for a championship. Will always need great pieces around him to win. That's why he'll seem overpaid. Trust me, I know hockey.
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Very true. Will never be the driving force for a championship. Will always need great pieces around him to win. That's why he'll seem overpaid. Trust me, I know hockey.
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Your posts make me doubt that very much.
If he wins the rocket this year, nothing less than 10.5m imo. If he doesn't then 9.5-10 sounds good.
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I predict 8/88 if he puts up another 40+ goals. If he puts up 50+ an/or wins the Rocket Richard then I would not be surprised at a 12 mil per deal. Goals are at a premium. It would still be under the league max and he would be worth it.
Evander Kane literally averages a goal every third game and got a 7 year deal worth $7 mil per. Granted, there are numerous differences between the 2 but the point is for all intents and purposes a ~27 goal per 82 game left winger is getting 7 million dollars a season. Even though Kane was buying all UFA years and Laine still has 4 RFA years they are shoot first wingers. Laine is going to be a 45g-25/30a-70/75p type winger.
You may ask, how is a 70-75 point winger worth 10+ mil AAV ? Easy, he has a .5+ GPG every season. A consistent 40+ goal winger is worth quite a bit. Look back in 2007 when the cap was far far less. The Oilers threw a 7/50 offer sheet to Thomas Vanek, and he was coming off a 43-41-84 season on the presidents winner with the #1 offense. He also was age 23 when he signed that offer sheet, with only 68 career goals to his name.
Right now Laine JUST turned 20 and has 80 career goals in 155 games. If Laine makes it to RFA status he would literally just be turning 21 and will have 120+ goals under his belt. That's why he will get paid. If Laine makes it to RFA status and with another expansion team coming the cap in a couple years will be close to 90 mil. I'd gladly sign Laine to a 7/84 offer sheet next summer. Eichel and Laine would be a deadly lair and I have no problem with paying him 12 per.
Evander Kane literally averages a goal every third game and got a 7 year deal worth $7 mil per. Granted, there are numerous differences between the 2 but the point is for all intents and purposes a ~27 goal per 82 game left winger is getting 7 million dollars a season. Even though Kane was buying all UFA years and Laine still has 4 RFA years they are shoot first wingers. Laine is going to be a 45g-25/30a-70/75p type winger.
You may ask, how is a 70-75 point winger worth 10+ mil AAV ? Easy, he has a .5+ GPG every season. A consistent 40+ goal winger is worth quite a bit. Look back in 2007 when the cap was far far less. The Oilers threw a 7/50 offer sheet to Thomas Vanek, and he was coming off a 43-41-84 season on the presidents winner with the #1 offense. He also was age 23 when he signed that offer sheet, with only 68 career goals to his name.
Right now Laine JUST turned 20 and has 80 career goals in 155 games. If Laine makes it to RFA status he would literally just be turning 21 and will have 120+ goals under his belt. That's why he will get paid. If Laine makes it to RFA status and with another expansion team coming the cap in a couple years will be close to 90 mil. I'd gladly sign Laine to a 7/84 offer sheet next summer. Eichel and Laine would be a deadly lair and I have no problem with paying him 12 per.
2 more years and Laine is potentially 65+ goal scorer and probably 120 point player. He is not even close to all his potential yet. There is no reason to think that he is not going to have 10+million contract.
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All this and you completely ignored the contract of a 40 goal winger that was signed this summer, choosing to focus on other contracts that are obviously far less relevant. Offer sheets also have little to do with the contracts teams offer their own RFAs. By design they are substantially more than the player is worth, that's why they don't get made often. If you offer sheeted a player at their actual value, you'd just make an enemy for no tangible benefit, as the team would just match your offer.
Hopefully the Jets are not in the business of paying players for your fantasies.
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Who are you referring to, Kucherov? First of all big difference. Living and playing in Tampa vs living and playing in Winnipeg. Not to mention the whole tax benefit. I'm a Sabre fan, so don't take offense. Usually cities like Buffalo, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary don't have players taking massive savings on their deals.
Kuch is easily worth 10+ mil. But when you have a legit cup contender for the next 7 years with Hedman, Sergachev, Stammer, McD among others you take a few mil less and try and win a cup.
Laine is getting 10 mil+ I don't know what to tell you. Especially if he isn't signed until after his ELC is complete. If Laine finishes his ELC with 120+ goals you can best believe he will make Eichel/Matthews $ no doubt.
And no, you don't make enemies signing RFA offer sheets. Edmonton totally f***ed us over on the darkest day of our franchises history. We lost both our co Caps, Briere and Drury, two star centers who led us to back to back conference finals and a presidents trophy. We lose our heart and soul, Edmonton pulls a dirty move signing Vanek to that massive unwarranted offer sheet that we were forced to match. 11+ years later amd there hasn't been a single "retribution" type act we have done to Edmonton. I am all for seeing more offer sheets. Makes the league more fun.
And again, if I am Buffalo or about 20 other teams with the applicable cap space I am signing Laine next summer to 7/84 or even 7/87.5 and gladly hand over 4 1sts. Buffalo already possesses two extra 1st round picks in 2019 (with conditions that can make it 2020) so even if we do lose 4 1st round picks in a Laine offer sheet the Sabres would still have 2 extra 1sts so we don't go 5 years with only 1 1st round pick, we would have 3 1sts over 5 years even with a Laine offer sheet.
Winnipeg, don't let Laine get to RFA status. If he does he will be offer sheeted trust me. Young elite goal scorers are scarce and extremely valuable.
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Looking long term and considering recent signings from other high profile players coming out of the ELC, he deserves 10+ mil a year based on what he has accomplished and what kind of player he will eventually become. The 44 goals last year could have been 55 had he been playing ~4 minutes more per game and being paired up with Scheifele and Wheelers. Nonetheless he did score 44 goals with limited ice time and by playing ~half of the season in a dysfunctional line. All these facts and factors will be taken in account for in the negotiations by his agent.
Should we objectively look at his resume and the 80 goals he has in the bank from his 18 and 19 year old seasons, while being the second highest goal scorer in the entire league from this period, all the 7-8 million per year assumptions should be washed down the toilet. We are likely talking about the best goal scorer of his generation after all and these kind of young superstars DO get paid. It seems like the success has been a tough pill to swallow for some which is why we've been blessed with narratives like Laine riding on the coattails of Scheifele, which now has apparently turned into "Laine being one dimensional PP specialist". Wonder what comes next when he's physically complete and able to single-handedly take over the games. Oh and I'm not the least bit surprised of seeing the same old usernames from every other Laine related topic and all the undermining comments that come along. At least the number of obsessive fans go up (good or bad), ha.
*tap tap(i)*
However of course we cannot entirely count out the possibility of Laine deciding to give the Jets a discount by his own free will and signing something like 8 x 8m. He seems like the type that cares more about the success and glory than filling pockets with $$. Anyway we won't know until this actually happens. It should be interesting to see how things develop.
Should we objectively look at his resume and the 80 goals he has in the bank from his 18 and 19 year old seasons, while being the second highest goal scorer in the entire league from this period, all the 7-8 million per year assumptions should be washed down the toilet. We are likely talking about the best goal scorer of his generation after all and these kind of young superstars DO get paid. It seems like the success has been a tough pill to swallow for some which is why we've been blessed with narratives like Laine riding on the coattails of Scheifele, which now has apparently turned into "Laine being one dimensional PP specialist". Wonder what comes next when he's physically complete and able to single-handedly take over the games. Oh and I'm not the least bit surprised of seeing the same old usernames from every other Laine related topic and all the undermining comments that come along. At least the number of obsessive fans go up (good or bad), ha.
*tap tap(i)*
However of course we cannot entirely count out the possibility of Laine deciding to give the Jets a discount by his own free will and signing something like 8 x 8m. He seems like the type that cares more about the success and glory than filling pockets with $$. Anyway we won't know until this actually happens. It should be interesting to see how things develop.
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Jarey Curry
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He seems like a guy who would take less for the team though so im going with 8x8
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wow. i dont know if thats taking one for the team or taking it on the chin.
dude is gonna get 2 mil less than the guy drafted #2 before him in Eichel?
the guy who has a career high of 25g?
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You shouldn’t trash a player with just one stat line, It’s in poor taste. Just because a dumb gm overpaid doesn’t mean they all will.
Funny how only a bit less than 2 years many people on the HF board was saying how Laine reminded of them about Mario Lemiux and he was red hot in the 1st half of his rookie year until he got injured and missed a few games. Remember that hat trick he scored early in the rookie year and I do not think all are on PP. I always think Matthews is a better player but I think the margin of difference between the two is very small. Things can change from time to time and remember that earlier last year Canucks fans were saying that Boeser is better than both when he was scoring at almost each game. Who really knows? Things can go up and down between Laine, Matthews, Boeser and Eichel. They all have incredible talents but it is the execution part that will determine who comes up on top. It is all that mental part - how much attention to details in their games and how they react to adversity which will happen to each player. Just for comparison, we all saw glimpse of how talented Seguin is in his first 2 years, but while he still plays well but somehow he never quite played up to his full potentials.
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Jarey Curry
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Do you realise Eichel and Laine play for different teams? Jets is built and ran completely other way than Sabres and 8 million is not some small money, wpgs stars get lot less and still can put up huge point amounts.
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Their stars were signed though under more favourable contexts, Laine will have three high scoring seasons under his belt - none of Winnipeg’s young guys can say the same.
Chevy is good at contracts but he’s not a wizard, Jets will pay market price and that’s looking to be likely at least 10 million. This idea that Winnipeg is unique and all their players will give sweetheart deals just isn’t based on reality.
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