Player Discussion Kevin Hayes part II

[Irishguy42]

I'm not trying to toot my own horn here or make other people 'eat crow' or whatever. But it's a shame that Hayes's resurgence will be solely attributed to "changing his attitude and work ethic" in the off-season rather than people realizing that his sophomore slump was not that at all.

Obviously his new off-season plan has helped, but it's important to remember that Hayes has always been good.

The narrative will never be killed, unfortunately.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Yeah and people wanted to trade him. You don't trade big skilled centers with great puck possession and stick handling skills. This guy is a number 1 center.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah and people wanted to trade him. You don't trade big skilled centers with great puck possession and stick handling skills. This guy is a number 1 center.

Imagine what this board would be saying if some of our resident GMs got their way and he got traded and did this for another team.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Yeah and people wanted to trade him. You don't trade big skilled centers with great puck possession and stick handling skills. This guy is a number 1 center.

The people who wanted to trade him should be embarrassed with themselves.

You don't trade a player like him because he has a sophomore slump in which he still put up almost 40 points.

 

[Leetch66]

The people who wanted to trade him should be embarrassed with themselves.

You don't trade a player like him because he has a sophomore slump in which he still put up almost 40 points.

So....if he came into camp again 20 lbs overweight you just let hm play another season of uninspiring hockey and be a step behind everybody ? IMO.... At that point you have to consider moving him if he is not motivated enough to stay in shape , no matter how good he COULD be . This is a business....hard to baby guys along when you are running a team and difficult options have to be entertained...including a trade .

Great to see though that he did turn his play around and lose the weight....we all see the difference it has made . Fans had every right though to suggest moving him .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So....if he came into camp again 20 lbs overweight you just let hm play another season of uninspiring hockey and be a step behind everybody ? IMO.... At that point you have to consider moving him if he is not motivated enough to stay in shape , no matter how good he COULD be . This is a business....hard to baby guys along when you are running a team and difficult options have to be entertained...including a trade .

Great to see though that he did turn his play around and lose the weight....we all see the difference it has made . Fans had every right though to suggest moving him .

True, but you wanted him moved for CHARA

 

[FLYLine27*]

So....if he came into camp again 20 lbs overweight you just let hm play another season of uninspiring hockey and be a step behind everybody ? IMO.... At that point you have to consider moving him if he is not motivated enough to stay in shape , no matter how good he COULD be . This is a business....hard to baby guys along when you are running a team and difficult options have to be entertained...including a trade .

Great to see though that he did turn his play around and lose the weight....we all see the difference it has made . Fans had every right though to suggest moving him .

Well i respectfully disagree. You don't move a player after the rookie season he had with us. Plenty of players go through sophomore slumps and turn it back around for their 3rd season...and yes that usually means preparing better for the new season.

 

[Leetch66]

True, but you wanted him moved for CHARA

Yes...Chara and whatever else we threw in or got back ....might not have looked so good now...but might have enabled us to beat Pens and win a Cup ? Did anybody think Pens would win a Cup before playoffs started ? You just never know what one trade might do...Chara might have been that guy for us...but that is something we will never know.....still never hurts to entertain a trade .

 

[FLYLine27*]

Yes...Chara and whatever else we threw in or got back ....might not have looked so gooo now...but might have enabled us to beat Pens and win a Cup ? Did anybody think Pens would win a Cup before playoffs started ? You just never know what one trade might do...Chara might have been that guy for us...but that is something we will never know.....still never hurts to entertain a trade .

Washed up Chara wasn't going to get us anywhere near the cup last season

 

[Leetch66]

Well i respectfully disagree. You don't move a season after the rookie season he had with us. Plenty of players go through sophomore slumps and turn it back around for their 3rd season...and yes that usually means preparing better for the new season.

How many guys out there can play at this level being 21 lbs overweight when they are slower player to begin with ? I tend to think his slump was mostly based on being at the trough once too many times .

 

[Leetch66]

Washed up Chara wasn't going to get us anywhere near the cup last season

I seem to recall quite a few pundits talking about Pens chances at a Cup before playoffs started ....with a guy like the King and a defender like Chara...I have to think our chances would have been better than with a turtlefooted 21 lb overweight uninspired 40% Win percentage FO guy like Kevin Hayes .

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I seem to recall quite a few pundits talking about Pens chances at a Cup before playoffs started ....with a guy like the King and a defender like Chara...I have to think our chances would have been better than with a turtlefooted 21 lb overweight uninspired 40% Win percentage FO guy like Kevin Hayes .

So you'd give up a promising center who played great for us in his rookie season for a slightly better shot of a cup? Chara was not the difference between getting their doors blown off in the first round to the Pens and winning the cup. He was not. Hayes was overweight and played poorly. Players lose weight and improve. You were wrong on every level and you're doubling up instead of saving face and admitting you were wrong.

 

[JohnC]

I seem to recall quite a few pundits talking about Pens chances at a Cup before playoffs started ....with a guy like the King and a defender like Chara...I have to think our chances would have been better than with a turtlefooted 21 lb overweight uninspired 40% Win percentage FO guy like Kevin Hayes .

 

[One Winged Angel]

Oh hey you guys heard of that Kevin Hayes dude?

I hear he pounds back shots like Lil Jon is going out of style.

 

[silverfish]

Kevin Hayes, 15-16:

Kevin Hayes, 16-17:

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Did you guys hear he lost 21 pounds

 

[Thirty One]

Did you guys hear he lost 21 pounds

No.
.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Kevin Hayes can hockey really well

 

[darko]

So....if he came into camp again 20 lbs overweight you just let hm play another season of uninspiring hockey and be a step behind everybody ? IMO.... At that point you have to consider moving him if he is not motivated enough to stay in shape , no matter how good he COULD be . This is a business....hard to baby guys along when you are running a team and difficult options have to be entertained...including a trade .

Great to see though that he did turn his play around and lose the weight....we all see the difference it has made . Fans had every right though to suggest moving him .

At that point you consider moving him because 2 offseasons where he comes overweight screams red flags and dedication issues to me. Everyone should get a pass for a sophomore slump.

I just hope people on here go easy on Skjei, Vesey and Buch next season if they hit slumps.

 

[darko]

Yes...Chara and whatever else we threw in or got back ....might not have looked so good now...but might have enabled us to beat Pens and win a Cup ? Did anybody think Pens would win a Cup before playoffs started ? You just never know what one trade might do...Chara might have been that guy for us...but that is something we will never know.....still never hurts to entertain a trade .

Chara wasn't getting us past the Pens.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Yes...Chara and whatever else we threw in or got back ....might not have looked so good now...but might have enabled us to beat Pens and win a Cup ? Did anybody think Pens would win a Cup before playoffs started ? You just never know what one trade might do...Chara might have been that guy for us...but that is something we will never know.....still never hurts to entertain a trade .

Rangers weren't beating the Pens, with or without Chara.

 

[RGY]

Chara is slow as ****.

His best days are behind him. At times he is a pylon out there.

 

[Mac n Gs]

So Hayes is projecting to a 38-38-76 season right now. He won't sustain that, but if he can turn into a 55-65 point player and keep improving from there, look out. Good thing we're clearing up cap space in 2 years because this dude is gonna get PAID.

Also, whodathunkit that Hayes and Miller would both be very good PKing forwards? So impressed with how he improved his overall game and has brought a more consistent effort.

 

[FLYLine27*]

16 points in 17 games now.

 

[nyr2k2]

16 points in 17 games now.

Sophomore Slump officially behind him.