Kane legal drama in Buffalo IV (no hearsay, verifiable sources only)

[blams]

Peterson was arrested and later plead guilty to a lesser charge. He was also suspended without pay.

It's one example but there are dozens. Yes, if someone is accused of murder and being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of rape and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of child molestation and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

 

[Esq]

Shocking to see Haugh calling for Kane suspension ,, Absolutely shocking

Haugh is a gutless puke.

Same guy that tried to shoehorn Montador's death into a ban on fighting. Even though it was a elbow that caused Monty's last concussion.

His writing is truly drivel.

 

[blams]

Except statistics mean absolutely nothing to the individual. Even if the statistical probability was 99.9 percent there would still be a chance that any given individual occurrence could fall within that .1%. Using a broad statistic to make a judgement regarding any given individual occurrence is short-sighted.



Unless the is 0.0 chance of the individual case being an exception, assuming it to be part of the mode is in and of itself a conclusion.

No one made a judgement. The numbers are there to look at and reflect on.

 

[Illinihockey]

It's one example but there are dozens. Yes, if someone is accused of murder and being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of rape and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of child molestation and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

In the sports world, I can't think of many players that have been suspended with pay during an investigation. if there are dozens let me know, none come to mind.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I liked it when I lived out of state and didn't have to listen to these clowns on the radio, but now that I have a spare hour of driving each day, what can ya do.

 

[SnakePlissken]

Rape Culture. Look at Julie DiCaro's posts for example. She is a rape victim who has spoken out - not against kane- but against rape culture

It's truly a terrible thing that happened to her. I thought her piece after the Winston case was really insightful and thought provoking. I also think she's pretty clearly made up her mind as to what she thinks happened in this case. I disagree 100% with her tweets after Toews' initial comments on "support", and I was stunned when she wrote that she'd take a payoff rather than pursue criminal charges against her attacker. I'm no longer paying attention to anything she says.

 

[blams]

In the sports world, I can't think of many players that have been suspended with pay during an investigation. if there are dozens let me know, none come to mind.

It's not a precedent at this point. I wasn't implying that happens. I'm stating my opinion on the subject.


Kane's situation would fall into the behavior clause of the NHL, however. So he could be suspended for that if you really need more of a reason.

 

[Keithsteeth]

It's one example but there are dozens. Yes, if someone is accused of murder and being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of rape and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

If someone is accused of child molestation and is being investigated, he should be suspended with pay.

Kane hasn't been formally accused of anything.... in fact he hasn't even been arrested

 

[Illinihockey]

It's not a precedent at this point. I wasn't implying that happens. I'm stating my opinion on the subject.


Kane's situation would fall into the behavior clause of the NHL, however. So he could be suspended for that if you really need more of a reason.

What behavior would that be? Again, he hasn't even been arrested let alone charged. If the DA thought Kane was a rapist, they would have had him arrested immediately.

 

[hisgirlfriday]

More on tomorrow's press conference from http://www.wgrz.com/story/news/loca...ess-evidence-tampering-in-kane-case/72751410/

BUFFALO, NY-- Erie County District Attorney Frank Sedita, III will be holding a news conference Friday to discuss alleged evidence tampering in the Patrick Kane case.

The press conference will be held at 11am.

On Wednesday,Thomas Eoannou, the attorney for the woman who says she was sexually assaulted by Kane at his home in August, says an empty evidence bag was left in the doorway of the woman's mother's home.

Thank you for this additional info.

And I again reiterate the importance of keeping this thread discussion on topic, civil, without name-calling, without politics. Posts that do not conform to this may be deleted and posters may face possible infractions or thread bans if they dont follow site rules and heed mod warnings.

Thank you.

 

[BK201]

What evidence tampering? The police and county said that did not happen and that they have a documented chain of custody to back that up

The rape kit never made it to the mothers house?

 

[sketch22]

No one made a judgement. The numbers are there to look at and reflect on.

The numbers are a fact. Using the numbers to say that in any individual case it is more likely that a rape has occurred than not is not a fact. It is an assumption/judgement with factual basis.

 

[madgoat33]

The rape kit never made it to the mothers house?

No, it was an empty bag that presumably had some sort of evidence in it at some point. Thats all we know right now.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

The numbers are a fact. Using the numbers to say that in any individual case it is more likely that a rape has occurred than not is not a fact. It is an assumption/judgement with factual basis.

Presuming. That's all it is that qwerty is doing.

 

[SAADfather]

Glad the DA is giving a presser tomorrow. Hopefully clears up some things so people stop speculating and talking in circles, but I doubt thats gonna stop anytime soon...

 

[Sir Loin]

What behavior would that be? Again, he hasn't even been arrested let alone charged. If the DA thought Kane was a rapist, they would have had him arrested immediately.

This. Nobody can ever answer that question. What did Kane do?

Oh... "Kane should be suspended", "Kane needs to change"..... Why?

What do you folks know from this incident that we don't? I'm talking facts from 2015.

 

[Sir Loin]

Glad the DA is giving a presser tomorrow. Hopefully clears up some things so people stop speculating and talking in circles, but I doubt thats gonna stop anytime soon...

Like I just did

Thanks for the info!

 

[Duke33]

Oh good. Another press conference. That should clear all this up.

Just charge the man or end this farce already.

 

[chicagoskycam]

What behavior would that be? Again, he hasn't even been arrested let alone charged. If the DA thought Kane was a rapist, they would have had him arrested immediately.

Doesn't matter. They can suspend with pay to avoid the circus surrounding the matter and protect themselves if it went south. Hopefully the DA will put an end to this tomorrow but who knows.

 

[wafflecones]

Oh man, another press conference . I am hoping the DA comes back and says that there was no evidence tampering (and nails that slime bag lawyer to the wall) but that feels like too much optimism.

With the way things have gone lately, it'll be something out of completely left field that will shock everyone.

This thing is a circus and I can only hope it ends soon. The thing is this evidence bag being fake really is the best thing for EVERYONE- Kane, the accuser, the police, the hospital, the DA, the Blackhawks, the fans, etc. Well...maybe not Tim Graham or Dan Bernstein...

 

[chicagoskycam]

I would be hesitant to call her attorney a slim ball, ect. He can simply be reporting what actually happened. I doubt someone would put their career on the line for a hoax. That being the case, the motive for the person planting it there is quite interesting.

 

[Fortyfives]

Glad the DA is giving a presser tomorrow. Hopefully clears up some things so people stop speculating and talking in circles, but I doubt thats gonna stop anytime soon...

To be a fly on the wall during the last few days at the DA's office....

I'm guessing the DA tomorrow will come out with a pretty firm statement if the tampering is fact or fiction. He's not going to go up there and just say "i don't know what happened".

 

[Fortyfives]

I would be hesitant to call her attorney a slim ball, ect. He can simply be reporting what actually happened. I doubt someone would put their career on the line for a hoax. That being the case, the motive for the person planting it there is quite interesting.

The only thing I hold against him is bringing it out in a media circus like he did. He should have used the normal channels to get the state or FBI involved. If that didn't work I could see going to the media.

To me taking it straight to a press conference is sketchy.

 

[wafflecones]

Yeah, you're right that might be hasty. I was basing that off of the fact that he reportedly got the evidence bag around 1:30 but someone posted that he was considering a press conference around 5. It just wouldn't be my first instinct to hold a press conference where I could wave around an alleged victim's name on television. We'll see tomorrow I guess, although in the circumstances that it is a hoax it could have been he had no idea (but that could have been avoided IMO by doing a more thorough investigation.) Honestly I have no idea.

 

[wafflecones]

https://twitter.com/WGRZ_SteveBrown/status/647144139075788800

A friend linked this to me. I don't really know if this is a good source, but I do think that there would be barcodes that they could verify. Not sure what "markings" means exactly but it could be a good sign.