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majormet

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There is one player out there that I think can help us and he would be a rental and that is Patrick Maroon has 8 goals this year and had a big season last year, that is the one kind of player we miss. A bottom 6 shake up would be to send Beau and JHS down, promote Bernier and trade picks for Maroon

Maroon/Cizikas/Clutter
Chimera/Jane/Bernier

Bernier gives us energy and is a true bottom 6 guy and Maroon is a guy that can be more effective on the 2nd power play than Jane while being in the bottom 6
 

SI

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I know it is Eklund, but looking at Lehner a bit deeper -

He has played well on the 5-5 - has draft pedigree may be a bigger deal can be had here that involves Nelson for Lehner may be there are other pieces
 

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I know it is Eklund, but looking at Lehner a bit deeper -

He has played well on the 5-5 - has draft pedigree may be a bigger deal can be had here that involves Nelson for Lehner may be there are other pieces

I'd rather look at Dell.
 
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seafoam

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why is san jose trading us their cheap reliable backup ?

Dell likely isn't available.

I only mentioned him because Pierre LeBrun mentioned him in his Notebook on The Athletic as someone to keep tabs on as this years Scott Darling and a potential trade chip down the stretch.

I would post the quote, but I am a new subscriber and therefore do not know the rules regarding posting content behind paywalls.
 

islescoop

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Yes the goalies have been bad. Yes the defense has been week. But, think the biggest weakness in this team is the lack of forwards that have any defensive awareness in our own zone. We need a selke candidate type forward who can win face offs and shut down an opposing teams best player. Trade Nelson for someone like that. And no that does t mean we should’ve matched wings offer for Nielsen, that was way too high
 

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Yes the goalies have been bad. Yes the defense has been week. But, think the biggest weakness in this team is the lack of forwards that have any defensive awareness in our own zone. We need a selke candidate type forward who can win face offs and shut down an opposing teams best player. Trade Nelson for someone like that. And no that does t mean we should’ve matched wings offer for Nielsen, that was way too high

I think the assorted nhl coaches are figuring out how to slow the isles down . Theres less and less quick puck movement leaving the isles flat footed and on the back check more often than pushing the pace
 

Isles72

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if your doug wilson , why do you care if he leaves as a ufa in july ? We're not talking about someone they drafted high and groomed for 4 years .

if he leaves , I'm sure SJ could find a competent backup in 2018 --until then , he's more valuable as the backup in SJ ''right now'' .
 

Glory Days

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if your doug wilson , why do you care if he leaves as a ufa in july ? We're not talking about someone they drafted high and groomed for 4 years .

if he leaves , I'm sure SJ could find a competent backup in 2018 --until then , he's more valuable as the backup in SJ ''right now'' .

Agreed, teams competing don't worry about UFA's if they think they need the player to compete. Only teams out of it start dumping UFA's for picks and prospects.
 

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When you look at what was available last summer to fill out the bottom 6 you could have easily spent about $4,000,000 and we would have been able to keep Beau and Josh in the AHL for another year. A lot of the names that have come up in discussion signed very cheap contracts for this season.

Assuming you were only going to fill in the 3rd line there were players like Brodziak and Wingels that signed for less than $1,000,000.

Also, even though his contract is too high Kulemin's loss hurts more than most of us appreciated at the time, including me.

The list for forwards who are UFA's next summer is full of 4th line players who could be useful if we decide to dangle Josh and Beau as trade chips to upgrade the defense. Wonder what we could get if BOTH of them were offered in a trade?

I'm beginning to think that we should look at keeping our top two lines intact and getting away from believing that we should run out four lines equally. Pittsburgh certainly doesn't run out four lines consistently and they've raised enough Cups lately, as has Chicago. The time might be ripe to completely re-think the bottom 6 and go in a different direction. The only bottom 6 player I am fully on board with keeping is Cizikas. Buying out Clutterbuck has to ba an option for the summer given the possible large rise in the salary cap.

Playing what if:

Chips to upgrade the defense, bottom 6 and goalie:

Nelson (RFA in 2018), Beau, Ho-Sang, Draft Picks, Bellows (assuming our Top 6 gets resigned to longer term contracts), Aho, Van De Sompel, Witherspoon (Toews is slotted in for bottom pairing next year on this)
DeHaan is likely to leave as a UFA due to not matching what he is going to get on the market
Hickey is gone, as is Seidenberg and Halak
Chimera is gone, Kulemin possibly comes back on a more reasonable contract, like $1,000,000 per year

Cizikas stays, but we need to add a faceoff winning center to the mix who also kills penalties and can play shut down. I agree with those who think Casey is ready to be the 3rd center.

Potential cheap UFAs in 2018 to fill the bottom line:

Richardson, Roussell, Maroon, Letestu, Beagle, Derek Ryan, JT Brown, Brodziak, Sceviour, Wingels

Potential Top Defenders to target: OEL, Hjalmarson, potentially one of the top RFA's (the list is pretty solid this year . . . Hanafin, Montour, Skjei, Dumba, Colin Miller, Edmundson, Ryan Murray)

Goalies: Dell, Hutton as UFAs, RFA's are Hellybuyck, Jarry, Dansk, Stolarz, Lehner and Wedgewood.

If the salary cap expands to $81,000,000 that leaves a lot of room if we fill our bottom 6 right:

Current Cap Hit: $72,881,000

Target $ 81,000,000 is possible in 2018-19

Already under contract:

PLAYER (13)POS.AGEBASE SALARYSIGNING BONUSPERF. BONUSTOTAL SALARYTOTAL
CAP HIT
ADJ.
CAP HIT
CAP %
Johnny Boychuk D34$6,500,000--$6,500,000$6,000,000$6,000,00014.26
Jordan EberleRW28$6,000,000--$6,000,000$6,000,000$6,000,00014.26
Nick LeddyD27$5,500,000--$5,500,000$5,500,000$5,500,00013.07
Andrew Ladd LW33$1,000,000$5,000,000-$6,000,000$5,500,000$5,500,00013.07
Anders LeeC28$5,000,000--$5,000,000$3,750,000$3,750,0008.91
Cal ClutterbuckRW31$4,000,000--$4,000,000$3,500,000$3,500,0008.32
Casey CizikasC27$3,500,000--$3,500,000$3,350,000$3,350,0007.96
Thomas GreissG32$3,250,000--$3,250,000$3,333,333$3,333,3337.92
Adam PelechD24$1,100,000--$1,100,000$1,600,000$1,600,0003.80
Mathew Barzal C21$832,500-$400,000-$894,167$894,1672.12
Mathew Barzal C21$832,500-$400,000-$894,167$894,1672.12
Anthony Beauvillier LW21$832,500-$212,500-$894,167$894,1672.12
Joshua Ho-Sang RW22$832,500-$212,500-$863,333$863,3332.05
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Totals: about $42,000,000. Not sure why they have Barzal twice, but for rounding purposes it's not too much to adjust to.

Of course, with JT and Josh UFA's it's not nearly much at all.

Now buyout Clutterbuck. That amount changes from year to year but the only bigger cap hit comes in years 4 and 5 of the buyout at a little over $2,000,000 per but in the first year it actually has a positive effect.

JT comes in at $11,000,000 and Bailey at $7,000,000 (that might be a little high but Josh is on pace for nearly 100 points this season!)

We're up to $64,000,000, leaving $ 17,000,000

Toews, Mayfield and Pulock come in for a total of $4,000,000 to round out the bottom pairs, leaving money for a true Top 4/Top pair addition.

Leaves $13,000,000

Bottom 6 signings: Pick 4 from the list, say Richardson, Maroon, Sceviour and Brodziak, along with signing Kulemin at a lower number. Adds toughness, faceoffs and penalty killing. Also you can now shelter Ho-Sang or Beau with guys like this and if things turn out right you can find a way to scrape maybe 50-60 goals out of the bottom 6, while substantially increasing the defensive capabilities of this team. You can run the Top 2 lines through with the bottom 6 like this: 1st line, 2nd line, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Skipping the 4th line every other scheduled shift for running four lines. And with a lead you go back to running all four lines equally.

Budgeting about $6 million for these signings leaves $7,000,000 for the goalie/defenders. Throw in potentially about a million for the possibility of trading Beau or Josh.

Now you have the tradeoff: Do we spend on the top goalie or the top defender? Also keep in mind that Anders gets a raise after 2018-19, but I think Eberle would be more than happy to re-sign at the same number. Also, what if JT and Bailey are reasonable and leave a little on the table . . . JT at $10 million and Josh at $6 million makes up the Lee difference and maybe a little on top.

The defense pairings without DeHaan look like:

Leddy-Pulock
Pelech-Boychuck
Toews-Mayfield

Goalies: Greiss and ??

Soderstrom would be a big difference maker if he is ready. If not then can we sign Dell at $3,000,000 as UFA? Dansk as RFA to get a shot . . . he'd come relatively cheap. Maybe trade Beau for Dansk and re-sign him for $1,500,000 for a year to see what he offers.

The key is to leave enough money to get a stud defender. With the changes to the bottom 6 above the need for a stud goalie goes down as the team defense gets much better.

Given the cap space you have to think that unless we get creative the Top pairing defender like an OEL is going to be out of reach.

But a Hjalmarson or Murray to replace DeHaan at less money makes a lot of sense. Then you can run:

Leddy-Pulock
Hjal/Murray - Pelech
Toews-Boychuck

And that's a nice balanced defense

So, the possible final look:

Lee / LT / Bailey
Ladd / Barzal / Eberle
Maroon / Casey / Brodziak
Ho-Sang / Richardson / Sceviour or Kulemin

Leddy-Pulock
Hjal/Murray - Pelech
Toews-Boychuck
Mayfield

Dansk/Soderstom/Greiss

Better built for a Stanley Cup run

And yeah, sometimes I have too much time on my hands :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

leeroggy

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Isles aren't buying out Clutterbuck if they hope to resign Tavares. Plus Snow ego is too big to admit the mistake.

If you honestly think JT's signing has ANYTHING to do with Clutterbuck you are kidding yourself. It's not even on a Top 30 list of reasons.
 

Le Grec

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Just for fun...

https://nypost.com/2017/12/15/erik-karlsson-represents-a-perfect-islanders-opportunity/

"Snow has some of the most coveted assets stockpiled, and he seems primed to use them to help this team get over the hump. More than anything, he needs a big-time defenseman, preferably a right-handed shot. Wonder if Dorion has one of those?
Listen, it takes a lot to move a player like Erik Karlsson. But a lot starts with a situation like this one, where Karlsson first says something that makes it clear he is thinking of elsewhere as a real possibility, even as he has one more year after this one left on his deal that carries an incredibly modest $6.5 million annual cap hit."
 
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steveat

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"Would Dorion be enticed by thinking of Ho-Sang on a line with, say, Derick Brassard and Mike Hoffman? The Senators would have to take back some money, but Jaroslav Halak seems a better back-up plan for Craig Andersson than Mike Condon, and Halak’s $4.5 million is expiring after this season. So does something close to Halak, Ho-Sang, a first-rounder and a second-rounder get it done?"

I would do this all day and night ...8 days a week.

JHS will be a great great player..but come on..it's Karlsson.
 
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SI

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de Haan, Ho-Sang, a 1st, and a 2nd to start?
I'd even add Pulock to that but not sure if Senators do it even with that many pieces going back.

I mean they could always trade De Haan for more picks - not sure if CDH can get you a 1st - maybe another 2nd and 3rd
 

dlawong

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They need to think ahead for next year and work out a trade to acquire a decent young goalie (that has played in NHl) good enough to be a starter in the next few years but can't overtake the starter job. Do not need to trade the best players on the team nor top prospect but can do a combination of roster player who can play, 2nd round picks and maybe a good tradable veteran who can help the other team - you may need to move one of Beau or JHS to make these kind of deal. If one of Beau or JHS goes, also ask for either a defensive type of D coming back along with the young goalie or a good 3rd or 4th liner coming back.

Do not trade within division, try to make a deal with either Pacific or Central - think teams who are trying to make playoff but is just on the bubble or a team that may be fallen out a bit. Look for players with good NHL AHL records and had some past success in international play at any level.
 
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