JackSlater
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I doubt it. He's probably the best defenceman but I wouldn't put him second overall at this point.
Why wouldn't you consider the best defenseman as in contention for #2 overall?I doubt it. He's probably the best defenceman but I wouldn't put him second overall at this point.
Because I believe that at least two players are better than he is, even if he is the best defenceman.Why wouldn't you consider the best defenseman as in contention for #2 overall?
List the trophy case all you want. Makar dominates the game in a way Auston Matthews is simply incapable of doing on both ends of the ice.They're the same tier and you can argue for either
Matthews has 2 rockets, 1 hart, 1 Ted Lindsay, 2 All-NHL team selections. He's scoring at a 62 goal, 106 point pace since Makar came into the league
The only player in the world you can "easily" argue over Matthews is McDavid. The rest have similar, or inferior trophy case and production
Why is he overrated?
I mean, have you looked at his point per game rates in the regular season and playoffs and where they stack up? He’d be sitting on two Norris’s in his first three years had he not been hurt in his second season.
I think it goes without saying that he has to achieve more and keep piling up the numbers, but he certainly has the potential to be one of the best defenceman of all-time.
But if Makar has more individual awards than any other defenseman in the history of the league through a players age 23 season, sans Orr, how exactly is he overrated if he is being compared to the all time greats. Obviously, there is still hopefully a long career to go, but when a player has a start to a career like this, they are going to be compared to the best. Happened with Crosby, and happened with McDavid.
Bobby Orr played in a semi professional era that also had expansion so a bunch of minor league level goalies entering the league. Ran up stats in an era where the NHL wasn’t exactly a legit/pro league.
Josi also plays rover quite often. Makar is a better defenseman.Josi had the most #1 votes for the Norris and would've won it if some voters didn't purposely leave him out of it entirely.
It's fine if you think he's the best but I don't know how this is "AINEC"
Let’s settle down a bit. Way too early to have him above Bourque and LidstromI get what you’re saying I just think Cale has another level of skill that will lead him to be excessively elite year in and year out. Like he’s legit the best defensemen since Orr IMO.
Cale is different than Karlsson because he’s able to control both ends of the rink. EK always gave up a little too much.
I mean, that's just not true lol. How do you think Matthews got those trophies? He dominates the game on a level that only a handful of players can matchList the trophy case all you want. Makar dominates the game in a way Auston Matthews is simply incapable of doing on both ends of the ice.
lol I've seen people compare him to Orr alreadyLet’s settle down a bit. Way too early to have him above Bourque and Lidstrom
Yea that "people" is Gretzky.lol I've seen people compare him to Orr already
I’ve seen this place say McDavid is only a good offensive guy and not someone you’ll ever win with.lol I've seen people compare him to Orr already
What is a valid argument for him being above McDavid other than “Cup Win”?No way he's the second best player in the world.
Because he's the best player in the world.
"Personal opinion"What is a valid argument for him being above McDavid other than “Cup Win”?
A hot take is having the guy who just led his team to the Stanley cup as number one, who is the same guy that most rankings have at number 2? Okay, friend.The hot takes thread is here bro. Your 2023 season hot takes!
What exactly is it that McDavid is so much better at? The 0.1 points per game difference?"Personal opinion"