Is Kadri a 1C?

[Selyanin]

Bergeron?

He has only 57 pts pace? Stamkos has better pace than all those players with 115.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Leafs lose again...gotta create a thread to make themselves feel better.



Kardi is a great #2 who has seen a jump in his points since Matthews arrived to face top defenses. Great 1-2 punch.

Not to mention Toronto being all about offense with an average goalie and defense.

 

[zeke]

Stamkos?

my bad - set the game minimum at 41gms.

 

[zeke]

Centers i would rather have than Kadri if you ignore contract and age and just want the best center for this season.
Boston: Bergeron, Krejci
Buffalo: Eichel, ROR
Detroit: Zetterberg
Florida: Barkov, Trocheck
Montreal: Drouin
Ottawa: Turris
Tampa: Stamkos, (Johnson and Point)
Toronto: Matthews
Carolina: None
Columbus: (Wennberg)
Devils: None
Islanders: Tavares
Rangers: (Zibanajad)
Flyers: Giroux( Couturier)
Pens: Crosby, Malkin
Caps: Kuznetsov, Backstrom
Chicago: Toews
Colorado: Duchene, Mackinnon
Dallas: Seguin
Minnesota: Granlund, Koivu, E Staal (Coyle)
Nashville: Johansen
Blues: None
Winnipeg: Scheifele and Little
Anaheim: Getzlaf and Kesler
Arizona: Stepan
Calgary: Monahan
Edmonton: Mcdavid and Draisaitl
LA: Kopitar and Carter
San Jose: Couture
Vancouver: None
Vegas: None

36 centers i would comfortably take before Kadri. Then another 6 centers i have () around who could go either way.

weird that you'd take so many guys over kadri who aren't as good offensively and play easier minutes.

 

[zeke]

OK.....Then tell me this. When did this #1 C start this offensive boom? Thats right when Mathews got there. I just meant that teams load up defensively vs Mathews.

Before last year Kadri was always 15-20 goal at best and Mathews get there and he hits 32. A coincidence??

it's true that last year is the first time he actually got to play legit minutes on a PP with legit first line talent beside him.

most other players he's being compared to have alwyas had that luxury, but he never did.

 

[zeke]

No. He is not. He is in every way a 2C. OP is a blatant homer, so he'll find some to disagree on, but regardless.

McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Seguin, Backstrom, Getzlaf, Tavares, Kopitar, Scheifele, Matthews, Eichel, Draisaitl, Barkov, Bergeron, Zetterberg, Pavelski, Carter, Johansen, Kuznetsov, Monahan, MacKinnon, Toews, Giroux, O' Reilly, Thorton, Couture, Johnson, Staal, Kesler, Duchene

There is 31 guys off the top of my head I would take over Kadri. He had one career year, that does not define him as a 1C, and even if he could replicate his season several times to provide more of a sample, he'd barely be a 1C.

Kadri scores more than most of those names, and plays tougher minutes.

 

[zeke]

Giroux has played center his entire career, 10 games on the wing doesnt change that and yes he is absolutely a better player than Kadri so is Draisaitl.

.

....and has been very poor at center the last couple years, other than the PP.

 

[zeke]

He's 27, and excluding last year has career high point totals of 45 and 50. I wouldn't say he's defensively elite either.

Great #2 Centre, similar to that of Backlund, but your team will struggle if Kadri is your #1 centre IMO.

Career best paces:

Age 27: 45gls/82pts (11gms)
Age 22: 31gls/75pts (48gms)
Age 26: 32gls/61pts (82gms)
Age 23: 21gls/53pts (78gms)
Age 25: 18gls/49pts (76gms)
Age 24: 20gls/44pts (73gms)

Last 2yrs: 34gls/64pts (93gms)
Last 3yrs: 27gls/57pts (169gms)
Last 6yrs: 25gls/56pts (368gms)
Career: 23gls/53pts (419gms)

 

[Isaac Nootin]

He's 27, and excluding last year has career high point totals of 45 and 50. I wouldn't say he's defensively elite either.

So if you exclude his career high, then his new career high isn't as impressive? Weird.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

That has nothing to do with what I said

You can't even name 30 centers that are better, and this is allowing teams like Pittsburgh with Crosby Malkin

Clearly better:
1) Getzlaf, ANA
2) Bergeron, BOS
3) Krejci, BOS
4) Eichel, BUF
5) O’Reilly, BUF
6) Monahan, CGY
7) Toews, CHI
8) Mackinnon, COL
9) Seguin, DAL
10) Zetterberg, DET
11) McDavid, EDM
12) Barkov, FLA
13) Kopitar, LAK
14) Carter, LAK
15) Tavares, NYI
16) Crosby, PIT
17) Malkin, PIT
18) Couture, SJ
19) Matthews, TOR
20) Stamkos, TBL
21) Backstrom, WSH
22) Kuznetsov, WSH
23) Scheifele, WIN

Similar

• Kesler, ANA
• Stepan, AZ
• Backlund, CGY
• J. Staal, CAR
• E. Staal, MIN
• Wennberg, CLB
• Johansen, NSH
• Duchene, COL
• Larkin, DET
• Nugent-Hopkins, EDM
• Trochek, FLA
• Koivu, MIN
• Drouin, MTL
• Henrique, NJD
• Hischier, NJD
• Barzal, NYI
• Nelson, NYI
• Zibanejad, NYR
• Turris, OTT
• Brassard, OTT
• Couturier, PHI
• Stastny, STL
• Schenn, STL
• Thornton, SJ
• Johnson, TBL
• Horvat, VAN
• Little, WIN

It's actually incredibly easy to do. He's closer to #40 than #30 imo.

 

[Regal]

Kadri scores more than most of those names, and plays tougher minutes.

He scores more based on one season maybe

 

[zeke]

Clearly better:
1) Getzlaf, ANA
2) Bergeron, BOS
3) Krejci, BOS
4) Eichel, BUF
5) O’Reilly, BUF
6) Monahan, CGY
7) Toews, CHI
8) Mackinnon, COL
9) Seguin, DAL
10) Zetterberg, DET
11) McDavid, EDM
12) Barkov, FLA
13) Kopitar, LAK
14) Carter, LAK
15) Tavares, NYI
16) Crosby, PIT
17) Malkin, PIT
18) Couture, SJ
19) Matthews, TOR
20) Stamkos, TBL
21) Backstrom, WSH
22) Kuznetsov, WSH
23) Scheifele, WIN

Similar

• Kesler, ANA
• Stepan, AZ
• Backlund, CGY
• J. Staal, CAR
• E. Staal, MIN
• Wennberg, CLB
• Johansen, NSH
• Duchene, COL
• Larkin, DET
• Nugent-Hopkins, EDM
• Trochek, FLA
• Koivu, MIN
• Drouin, MTL
• Henrique, NJD
• Hischier, NJD
• Barzal, NYI
• Nelson, NYI
• Zibanejad, NYR
• Turris, OTT
• Brassard, OTT
• Couturier, PHI
• Stastny, STL
• Schenn, STL
• Thornton, SJ
• Johnson, TBL
• Horvat, VAN
• Little, WIN

It's actually incredibly easy to do. He's closer to #40 than #30 imo.

if it's so easy to do, then why did you have to list so many names that score less and play easier minutes and are worse possession players and even a bunch that mostly play wing?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Clearly better:
1) Getzlaf, ANA
2) Bergeron, BOS
3) Krejci, BOS
4) Eichel, BUF
5) O’Reilly, BUF
6) Monahan, CGY
7) Toews, CHI
8) Mackinnon, COL
9) Seguin, DAL
10) Zetterberg, DET
11) McDavid, EDM
12) Barkov, FLA
13) Kopitar, LAK
14) Carter, LAK
15) Tavares, NYI
16) Crosby, PIT
17) Malkin, PIT
18) Couture, SJ
19) Matthews, TOR
20) Stamkos, TBL
21) Backstrom, WSH
22) Kuznetsov, WSH
23) Scheifele, WIN

Similar

• Kesler, ANA
• Stepan, AZ
• Backlund, CGY
• J. Staal, CAR
• E. Staal, MIN
• Wennberg, CLB
• Johansen, NSH
• Duchene, COL
• Larkin, DET
• Nugent-Hopkins, EDM
• Trochek, FLA
• Koivu, MIN
• Drouin, MTL
• Henrique, NJD
• Hischier, NJD
• Barzal, NYI
• Nelson, NYI
• Zibanejad, NYR
• Turris, OTT
• Brassard, OTT
• Couturier, PHI
• Stastny, STL
• Schenn, STL
• Thornton, SJ
• Johnson, TBL
• Horvat, VAN
• Little, WIN

It's actually incredibly easy to do. He's closer to #40 than #30 imo.

That's a pretty fair post IMO.
There's more to ranking centres than just looking at their point totals last year.
I mean does anyone think JVR is a top 30 winger?

 

[zeke]

That's a pretty fair post IMO.
There's more to ranking centres than just looking at their point totals last year.
I mean does anyone think JVR is a top 30 winger?

Kadri does even better when looking beyond just point totals.

 

[Ainec]

Clearly better:
1) Getzlaf, ANA
2) Bergeron, BOS
3) Krejci, BOS
4) Eichel, BUF
5) O’Reilly, BUF
6) Monahan, CGY
7) Toews, CHI
8) Mackinnon, COL
9) Seguin, DAL
10) Zetterberg, DET
11) McDavid, EDM
12) Barkov, FLA
13) Kopitar, LAK
14) Carter, LAK
15) Tavares, NYI
16) Crosby, PIT
17) Malkin, PIT
18) Couture, SJ
19) Matthews, TOR
20) Stamkos, TBL
21) Backstrom, WSH
22) Kuznetsov, WSH
23) Scheifele, WIN

Similar

• Kesler, ANA
• Stepan, AZ
• Backlund, CGY
• J. Staal, CAR
• E. Staal, MIN
• Wennberg, CLB
• Johansen, NSH
• Duchene, COL
• Larkin, DET
• Nugent-Hopkins, EDM
• Trochek, FLA
• Koivu, MIN
• Drouin, MTL
• Henrique, NJD
• Hischier, NJD
• Barzal, NYI
• Nelson, NYI
• Zibanejad, NYR
• Turris, OTT
• Brassard, OTT
• Couturier, PHI
• Stastny, STL
• Schenn, STL
• Thornton, SJ
• Johnson, TBL
• Horvat, VAN
• Little, WIN

It's actually incredibly easy to do. He's closer to #40 than #30 imo.

Johansen is somehow ranked in the similar range while Monahan is in the top 20. The fact you say closer to 40 means we're too far apart for me to bother

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Johansen is somehow ranked in the similar range while Monahan is in the top 20. The fact you say closer to 40 means we're too far apart for me to bother

Monahan was actually included in that top list by mistake (although I'd take him and RyJo over Kadri).

 

[TheBradyBunch]

if it's so easy to do, then why did you have to list so many names that score less and play easier minutes and are worse possession players and even a bunch that mostly play wing?

Because I don't rely on cherrypicked figures from one season to evaluate players. I mean, are any of my takes more outlandish than "Schenn could be similar offensively to Karlsson & Stajan (or was it Wellwood?) will be better than Spezza"?

 

[KingTux]

No but he is the ideal 2C in my book

 

[Sojourn]

And a near PPG pace in the shortened season.....

16 players had 48 or more points that season. That's not even including the players who had a PPG but played less than the 48 games, or the "near" PPG players.

When you compare the number of players who accomplished that to the previous and following season, with the full 82 games, the number drops. Dramatically.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Because I don't rely on cherrypicked figures from one season to evaluate players. I mean, are any of my takes more outlandish than "Schenn could be similar offensively to Karlsson & Stajan (or was it Wellwood?) will be better than Spezza"?

My favourite was Tyler Bozak is better than Ryan Kesler.
The problem with stats is that they need context.
And for the record I think Kadri is a pretty valuable player for the Leafs. He and Matthews could be a great one two pair.

 

[authentic]

He could be a #1, or a very good #2.

 

[Menzinger]

Clearly better:
1) Getzlaf, ANA
2) Bergeron, BOS
3) Krejci, BOS
4) Eichel, BUF
5) O’Reilly, BUF
6) Monahan, CGY
7) Toews, CHI
8) Mackinnon, COL
9) Seguin, DAL
10) Zetterberg, DET
11) McDavid, EDM
12) Barkov, FLA
13) Kopitar, LAK
14) Carter, LAK
15) Tavares, NYI
16) Crosby, PIT
17) Malkin, PIT
18) Couture, SJ
19) Matthews, TOR
20) Stamkos, TBL
21) Backstrom, WSH
22) Kuznetsov, WSH
23) Scheifele, WIN

Similar

• Kesler, ANA
• Stepan, AZ
• Backlund, CGY
• J. Staal, CAR
• E. Staal, MIN
• Wennberg, CLB
• Johansen, NSH
• Duchene, COL
• Larkin, DET
• Nugent-Hopkins, EDM
• Trochek, FLA
• Koivu, MIN
• Drouin, MTL
• Henrique, NJD
• Hischier, NJD
• Barzal, NYI
• Nelson, NYI
• Zibanejad, NYR
• Turris, OTT
• Brassard, OTT
• Couturier, PHI
• Stastny, STL
• Schenn, STL
• Thornton, SJ
• Johnson, TBL
• Horvat, VAN
• Little, WIN

It's actually incredibly easy to do. He's closer to #40 than #30 imo.

Care to show your work?

 

[Menzinger]

16 players had 48 or more points that season. That's not even including the players who had a PPG but played less than the 48 games, or the "near" PPG players.

When you compare the number of players who accomplished that to the previous and following season, with the full 82 games, the number drops. Dramatically.

So your saying that season shouldn't count st all?

Point is it's a bit beyond disingenuous to label him as nothing more than only a 45ish point centre pre Matthews. Especially too when one takes into context his freakishly unlucky sh% in the 2015-2016 season. He's always had first line offensive potential.

 

[Sojourn]

So your saying that season shouldn't count st all?

Point is it's a bit beyond disingenuous to label him as nothing more than only a 45ish point centre pre Matthews. Especially too when one takes into context his freakishly unlucky sh% in the 2015-2016 season. He's always had first line offensive potential.

No, it's still 48 games of near a PPG pace. It just isn't a full 82 game season.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Care to show your work?

Challenge the list and I'll defend it.

Also, I forgot Giroux (clearly better), Point and Toffoli (similar).