Speculation: Hurricanes wanting to get "tough" this offseason?

[bernmeister]

If we can get rid of Darling, I am willing to take Lucic, anything to get rid of him

Aho played well down the stretch in the middle. Same went for Lindholm. Necas will likely arrive next season. Staal and Rask are under contract long-term. Center isn't as much of a need as it was a few months ago.

I think a physical, skilled LW may actually be a better fit than a non-elite center (i.e. T. Johnson) in the context of the lineup. Kane would be interesting in FA or maybe Kreider via trade, if he becomes available.

Kreider is our least available asset, and the cost would be exorbitant.

We can do a mutual back scratch on Darling.
Rangers G guru coach Benny Allaire did wonders for Pavelec we will assume he can work magic and restore Darling to form. Happily our backscratch may help out with your tufness

We signed Smith for comparable $ based on his performance upon acquisition prior season.
Totally unprofessional thereafter, got fat, didn't care, had to be expelled to the A.

We rehab Darling, you rehab Smith, who if producing as prior demonstrated, could be a 2nd pair somewhere in NHL. Smith was never all that and a bag of chips, but he was tough SOB. Limited risk/reward.

Also, mutual help, we give you Georgiev. Provides immediate backup/costarter on elc lots of options for you to add. At min gives stopgap and buys you time, no pressured rush move.
We can promote from within and UFA Pav could be had for another cheap 1 yr deal, I expect, until better option hits you in the face.

In return we take McKeown, who we can use as RD and you can spare.
We would prefer the package as we need RD help being thin there.

Fair?

 

[Groo]

Sign Kane and see if you can peel off Kesler

 

[Machinehead]

Elite analytics team fails because of goaltending, owner butts in and wants more toughness.

 

[bleedgreen]

Hmm. Carolina does not have many trade worthy assets so one has to assume Aho or Hanifin shall be on table, or top picks + random players for a mediocre payoff.

Uhhhhh....no.

I don’t even get why? Team misses playoffs and wants to change culture, so they trade their best young players......

They need goaltending and to be tougher to play against. Mentally as much as physically. Goaltending alone might get them in the playoffs.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Rask is having shoulder surgery. I'd be curious to know how much of the season he played hurt and to what extent that might have impacted his game, especially his physicality (or lack thereof), before dumping him for some used equipment.

I wouldn’t be as bearish if I thought Rask’s struggles were a function of not getting to the scoring areas because of injury. My concern is born from seeing a player over the past year and a half that hasn’t been fast enough to get to those scoring areas.

Kreider is our least available asset, and the cost would be exorbitant.

We can do a mutual back scratch on Darling.
Rangers G guru coach Benny Allaire did wonders for Pavelec we will assume he can work magic and restore Darling to form. Happily our backscratch may help out with your tufness

We signed Smith for comparable $ based on his performance upon acquisition prior season.
Totally unprofessional thereafter, got fat, didn't care, had to be expelled to the A.

We rehab Darling, you rehab Smith, who if producing as prior demonstrated, could be a 2nd pair somewhere in NHL. Smith was never all that and a bag of chips, but he was tough SOB. Limited risk/reward.

Also, mutual help, we give you Georgiev. Provides immediate backup/costarter on elc lots of options for you to add. At min gives stopgap and buys you time, no pressured rush move.
We can promote from within and UFA Pav could be had for another cheap 1 yr deal, I expect, until better option hits you in the face.

In return we take McKeown, who we can use as RD and you can spare.
We would prefer the package as we need RD help being thin there.

Fair?

I know you’re super high on Kreider, but he’s about to turn 27, under contract for just 2 more seasons before he looks to get paid on a long-term deal and has produced like a complimentary player for most of his career. The idea of him being the re-tooling Rangers’ least-available asset is goofy.

Elite analytics team fails because of goaltending, owner butts in and wants more toughness.

Carolina finished 23rd in terms of GF/G. Something has to change up front as well.

 

[Rob Brown]

Has a team ever tweeted out what they are looking for? Especially when it's coming from the owner? So bizarre.

 

[Machinehead]

Carolina finished 23rd in terms of GF/G. Something has to change up front as well.

Fair enough, but when you hear NHL execs talk about toughness, you know they're not talking about talented offensive players.

 

[GoldiFox]

Has a team ever tweeted out what they are looking for? Especially when it's coming from the owner? So bizarre.

Has a team’s management ever said that they are disappointed the team missed the Playoffs again and they need to get (mentally and physically) tougher next year?

Yeah... every team every year pretty much says this?

 

[GoldiFox]

Fair enough, but when you hear NHL execs talk about toughness, you know they're not talking about talented offensive players.

And yet the “toughness” that Dundon is talking about he has characterized by Sebastian Aho... the most talented offensive player on the team.

Swing and a miss.

Fun watching all these bad hot takes from other fans wishing the worst. I assure you that Dundon cares more about winning tough games (ie: Aho types) than punching faces (ie: Matt Martin).

 

[Machinehead]

And yet the “toughness” that Dundon is talking about he has characterized by Sebastian Aho... the most talented offensive player on the team.

Swing and a miss.

Fun watching all these bad hot takes from other fans wishing the worst.

I don't wish the worst on Carolina. When I hear "toughness" from people running hockey teams, I think the worst. I have no reason not to.

 

[snipes]

Lucic is your guy

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not sure the Canes are thinking of "toughness" in terms of a Lucic type player. More like Aho, Williams, McGinn. Guys who want to win so bad that they are willing to scrap and fight for it.

This is a league where fighting is almost extinct and heavy hitting is on its way out. Dundon himself is an analytics-minded businessman and he has spent a lot of time around Bill Peters who is a Corsi-minded coach. It's very very hard for me to interpret "we want to get tougher" to mean they are going to go sign a bunch of heavies to beat people up.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Fair enough, but when you hear NHL execs talk about toughness, you know they're not talking about talented offensive players.

I'm hoping they have more of Hornqvist-type toughness in mind. The Canes don't have enough forwards willing to or capable of getting to the middle of the ice and front of the net, take the abuse (body checks, cross-checks, face-washes, punches, etc.) and go back for more on the next shift.

Anyone know where to find a global heatmap (shotchart) for the Canes? I'd be interested in seeing if my eyes are lying.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm hoping they have more of Hornqvist-type toughness in mind. The Canes don't have enough forwards willing to or capable of getting to the middle of the ice and front of the net, take the abuse (body checks, cross-checks, face-washes, punches, etc.) and go back for more on the next shift.

Anyone know where to find a global heatmap (shotchart) for the Canes? I'd be interested in seeing if my eyes are lying.

See here: CAR 1718

Basically, every team takes a lot of shots near the net so of course that area is red hot. But what you see with the Canes is a total lack of shots in the slot other than within 3 feet of the net. They shoot way too much from the perimeter and very rarely have the kind of traffic in front of the net to make that effective.

 

[emptyNedder]

But what you see with the Canes is a total lack of shots in the slot other than within 3 feet of the net. They shoot way too much from the perimeter and very rarely have the kind of traffic in front of the net to make that effective.

Not sure that is how that works. The areas where there is no color (white) is league average. So basically the Canes do get more shots close to the net and also the wide perimeter, are average in the slot, and only shoot "rarely" directly between the circles and above the circle in the center and to the right. So while the conventional wisdom is that the Canes are soft and don't get in front of the net--what Big Daddy was asking for actually shows the opposite. If there is a problem it is mostly the D-men not stepping into shots just inside the blueline.

The truth in the numbers is that Carolina gets more shots (and directly to the left of the goalie significantly more) close in front of the net.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not sure that is how that works. The areas where there is no color (white) is league average. So basically the Canes do get more shots close to the net and also the wide perimeter, are average in the slot, and only shoot "rarely" directly between the circles and above the circle in the center and to the right. So while the conventional wisdom is that the Canes are soft and don't get in front of the net--what Big Daddy was asking for actually shows the opposite. If there is a problem it is mostly the D-men not stepping into shots just inside the blueline.

The truth in the numbers is that Carolina gets more shots (and directly to the left of the goalie significantly more) close in front of the net.

I don’t think anyone who actually watches the team play would believe that they are even average at getting shots in the high danger area in front of the net. They are the poster children for taking shots from absolutely any angle, for the sake of generating a SOG.

My inclination is that the shots in front of the net are likely due to their tendency to generate shots in transition — breakaways, odd man rushes, etc. — which often lead to a shot in tight.

 

[phlocky]

Will be interesting to say the least who they target. Cant imagine itd be a bad contract like lucic or Martin. Maybe theyre going hard after Simmonds?

A lot of people are trying to be funny in this thread but on a serious note, I was thinking that Simmonds would make sense. He's tough, he's skilled and he scores, things the Canes could really use. We could even take back a cap dump (no longer than 3 more years left on his contract) to make it easier for you to resign him. Your first is currently 11th OA so, your 1st this year (top 3 protected, pushed to an unprotected 1st next year and a 3rd in 2020 just like we did with the Blues) + a cap dump for Simmonds (with y having an agreement for an extension in place).

What do you think?

 

[Esq]

If he meant that then he would have said "Our guys need to get tougher" instead of... oh wait that is what he said.

No, the Canes don't want Milan Lucic or Matt Martin. Please go away. The type of "toughness" that Dundon is talking about is better characterized by a guy like Zuccarello.

Pretty sure he is saying that toughness needs to be brought in. Players at this level don't just suddenly start playing "tougher" because the someone says so.

You go away. Please.

Or whatever.

 

[tapi]

Uhhhhh....no.

I don’t even get why? Team misses playoffs and wants to change culture, so they trade their best young players......

They need goaltending and to be tougher to play against. Mentally as much as physically. Goaltending alone might get them in the playoffs.

Well it's impossible to trade for anything meaningful with your scrub players. It's just a simple fact, they need to trade Aho, Hanifin or top picks. Otherwise they will get cr4p in return.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Well it's impossible to trade for anything meaningful with your scrub players. It's just a simple fact, they need to trade Aho, Hanifin or top picks. Otherwise they will get cr4p in return.

You're just as wrong the second time as you were the first time. But please, continue spreading knowledge on a team you clearly know nothing about.

 

[GoldiFox]

Pretty sure he is saying that toughness needs to be brought in. Players at this level don't just suddenly start playing "tougher" because the someone says so.

You go away. Please.

Or whatever.

Come on now, there are only 22 words in the entire Tweet. 7 of them were literally "...either the (current) players have to be tougher...".

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well it's impossible to trade for anything meaningful with your scrub players. It's just a simple fact, they need to trade Aho, Hanifin or top picks. Otherwise they will get cr4p in return.

I don't think you know what the word "fact" means. Just stop, they aren't trading Aho. In fact, it was reported that he's their only "untouchable".

Hanifin? Sure, maybe in a "forward for D" type deal (Jones/Subban for example), but there are 30 other assets they'd move before even thinking about moving Aho.

 

[Jared Dunn]

A lot of people are trying to be funny in this thread but on a serious note, I was thinking that Simmonds would make sense. He's tough, he's skilled and he scores, things the Canes could really use. We could even take back a cap dump (no longer than 3 more years left on his contract) to make it easier for you to resign him. Your first is currently 11th OA so, your 1st this year (top 3 protected, pushed to an unprotected 1st next year and a 3rd in 2020 just like we did with the Blues) + a cap dump for Simmonds (with y having an agreement for an extension in place).

What do you think?

I imagine if Philly would take Darling as the cap dump Carolina would definitely do that

 

[phlocky]

I imagine if Philly would take Darling as the cap dump Carolina would definitely do that

What's his contract status?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A lot of people are trying to be funny in this thread but on a serious note, I was thinking that Simmonds would make sense. He's tough, he's skilled and he scores, things the Canes could really use. We could even take back a cap dump (no longer than 3 more years left on his contract) to make it easier for you to resign him. Your first is currently 11th OA so, your 1st this year (top 3 protected, pushed to an unprotected 1st next year and a 3rd in 2020 just like we did with the Blues) + a cap dump for Simmonds (with y having an agreement for an extension in place).

What do you think?

I think it makes no sense to do that deal today, before the draft lottery.
1) I think they can't talk extension with Simmonds until 7/1 if they traded for him (at which point he has 1 year left) so we can't have an extension in place or talk about one before that (I think).
2) No need to add the complexity of a contingent deal where the pick might be an unprotected pick down the road, when there is no urgency to get it done before 7/1 anyhow.

Lastly, Simmonds has a modified NTC. Not sure he'd allow a trade to Carolina in the first place.