Hronek, Filip

[newfy]

I would say his shot but it's obviously not been that effective this season.

Think he can be a D-man that has some years at 15-20 goals though.

Other than that he's got good offensive instincts but there's not one things that stands out as truly elite or anything, he's just good at getting involved and creating offense.

Some guys just havea nose for the net and can create offense. Hronek does plenty of things really well, maybe none elite (but hes only 23), but hes got that nose for the net and producing to go with a lot of really solid tools.

Wings fans have been spoiled by Lidstrom. The same guys in this thread that are shitting on Hronek were shitting on Kronwall after Lidstrom left as if to be a top pairing dman you need to be comparable to a top 3 dman of all time. There was a point in time where Kronwall was a top 15-20 dman in the league and he caught a tonne of heat because he wasnt perfect like Lidstrom.

I actually could see Hronek ending up pretty similar to Kronwall at his best. Kronwall was only elite as a hitter. He did a lot of other things really really good though and it turned him into a top pair quality dman for a long time. Hronek is tracking to do the same

 

[19 for president]

Some guys just havea nose for the net and can create offense. Hronek does plenty of things really well, maybe none elite (but hes only 23), but hes got that nose for the net and producing to go with a lot of really solid tools.

Wings fans have been spoiled by Lidstrom. The same guys in this thread that are shitting on Hronek were shitting on Kronwall after Lidstrom left as if to be a top pairing dman you need to be comparable to a top 3 dman of all time. There was a point in time where Kronwall was a top 15-20 dman in the league and he caught a tonne of heat because he wasnt perfect like Lidstrom.

I actually could see Hronek ending up pretty similar to Kronwall at his best. Kronwall was only elite as a hitter. He did a lot of other things really really good though and it turned him into a top pair quality dman for a long time. Hronek is tracking to do the same

100% agree with this. If you have a good team, Hronek like Kronner ideally sits as your #3. In his prime (partially the late Lidstron years) Kronner could be a top pairing dman but he played behind a top 3 all time guy and was beginning to decline some by the time Lids retired. With that said he still did a decent job despite having a joke of a d partner after Lids retired.

I think Hronek will have a similar career. Good enough to play first pair in his prime but someone you would prefer to anchor your 2nd pair.

I mean Hronek is being forced into a 1 d role at the same age Kronner was getting his 1st cup of coffee with the Wings...

 

[newfy]

100% agree with this. If you have a good team, Hronek like Kronner ideally sits as your #3. In his prime (partially the late Lidstron years) Kronner could be a top pairing dman but he played behind a top 3 all time guy and was beginning to decline some by the time Lids retired. With that said he still did a decent job despite having a joke of a d partner after Lids retired.

I think Hronek will have a similar career. Good enough to play first pair in his prime but someone you would prefer to anchor your 2nd pair.

I mean Hronek is being forced into a 1 d role at the same age Kronner was getting his 1st cup of coffee with the Wings...

Yeah and I will say I think having Kronner as a number 3 is pretty unrealistic. He was at worst a number 2 dman most of his career. After Lidstrom left, Kronwall was a legit number one, all situations D for 3 or so years. You dont have a guy that was as good as him as your ideal number 3 in a salary cap world.

I dont know if Hronek will ever hit that same level Kronwall did after Lidstrom left but Hronek is showing signs of being very good and people in here are too busy bitching to realise it

 

[Reddwit]

Y’all are horrible.

We didn’t even get to enjoy Hronek’s growth as a prospect. Just jumped straight from “hey, here’s an intriguing prospect with potential” to “wow, if he can’t handle 23-25 minutes a night as a #1 defenseman surrounded by scrubs while also being a PPQB, do we even want him?”

Some folks here really aren’t grasping the magnitude of what this player has been asked to do. Or simply don’t want to see it.

Edit: Lol, forgot why I made this post in the first place.

My boy Hronek has been really settling in nicely these past 2 weeks or so, particularly defensively. Hopefully this means he’s turned a corner but either way, playing the most minutes on your team in a 7-1 loss and yet not being on the ice for a goal against deserves some props.

 

[Winger98]

Yeah, put me in the camp that thinks Hronek is being underappreciated lately. The guy is the only legit top4 D we have, shoulders a ton of minutes often (always?) with very weak partners, and doesn't get much help from most of the forward groups on the ice with him. While it would be nice to dream of getting Hamilton and dealing Hronek to fill other needs it's also not the worst thing to build around him back there. Seider will slot him down a spot in a year or two, get them both capable partners, keep upgrading the forwards...suddenly Hronek looks a lot stronger out there.

 

[SoupGuru]

He's been paired with DeKeyser lately. They work well together.

 

[golffuul]

He's fine as a PP specialist and 2nd pair guy. He's playing way above his pay-grade on the first pair and it makes him look awful. He's definitely more of the 10 goals/30-40 point defenseman. The one thing he really lacks is the ability to make the first read. He constantly looks like he is second guessing whatever it is he is looking at. Hard to know if this is symptomatic of Blashill's "systems" or if having a lot of low hockey IQ/low effort players around him is making this more difficult for him to get better at. Probably a bit of both, by the way the games have gone over the past 2-3 years.

At this point, I'm just hoping players like Hronek/Larkin/Zadina/Fabbri can hold on to hope long enough for the next wave of talent to come in and help the team.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

at least 3 of them are ~190ft.+

 

[KJoe88]

Some guys just havea nose for the net and can create offense. Hronek does plenty of things really well, maybe none elite (but hes only 23), but hes got that nose for the net and producing to go with a lot of really solid tools.

Wings fans have been spoiled by Lidstrom. The same guys in this thread that are shitting on Hronek were shitting on Kronwall after Lidstrom left as if to be a top pairing dman you need to be comparable to a top 3 dman of all time. There was a point in time where Kronwall was a top 15-20 dman in the league and he caught a tonne of heat because he wasnt perfect like Lidstrom.

I actually could see Hronek ending up pretty similar to Kronwall at his best. Kronwall was only elite as a hitter. He did a lot of other things really really good though and it turned him into a top pair quality dman for a long time. Hronek is tracking to do the same

This so much. Well said.

 

[Henkka]

He's fine as a PP specialist and 2nd pair guy.

Has seen more of EN specialist lately...

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

He is still developing. At the same age Hedman had yet to have a season in which he surpassed half a pint a game. Last year many Edmonton fans wanted to get rid of Nurse. They don't now. It usually takes a while for d-men to fully develop.

 

[golffuul]

Has seen more of EN specialist lately...

Touche'

 

[avssuc]

If Hronek were to be traded, let's say to Florida (after the Ekblad injury), what's a fair return?

 

[Oddbob]

If Hronek were to be traded, let's say to Florida (after the Ekblad injury), what's a fair return?

Why on earth would we trade Hronek? Dealing your strong players away, only makes you worse. We literally have no one even close to Hronek right now, so we absolutely keep him.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Saw this yesterday and thought it was interesting to digest. Kind of reiterates my point earlier on...he's not really creating much of this offense on his own, but rather has been good at making the routine plays that others are doing something more with.



I think some of this can be attributed to being put back on the point for the powerplay. He's very deferential on the point and moves the puck almost exclusively to either flank, which is good because the shots from the point are just mind numbing. But taking Hronek away from the left flank has limited his shooting upside, and it takes away any real chance for him to dart a pass through traffic.

 

[Christoph53]

Saw this yesterday and thought it was interesting to digest. Kind of reiterates my point earlier on...he's not really creating much of this offense on his own, but rather has been good at making the routine plays that others are doing something more with.



I think some of this can be attributed to being put back on the point for the powerplay. He's very deferential on the point and moves the puck almost exclusively to either flank, which is good because the shots from the point are just mind numbing. But taking Hronek away from the left flank has limited his shooting upside, and it takes away any real chance for him to dart a pass through traffic.

With Seider coming in next year and probably seeing PP time right away, I really hope they move Hronek back on the left flank with Moritz feeding him one timers.
Filip is an absolute scoring threat there

 

[JoesuffP]

Imagine complaining about the kind of points our young defensmen leads the time with. Hronek is the very least of the teams problems what should be worrying is his lack of support of defense. Same issue with Larkin. The offense lives and dies with these two guys it’s a lot to ask

 

[Retire91]

I didn't catch the threads complaining but I agree, Hronek is not the problem, he is not even a problem. Very happy to have him on the team.

 

[TheOtherOne]

If Hronek were to be traded, let's say to Florida (after the Ekblad injury), what's a fair return?

If we're trading away our young, best defenseman, then the return I want is an even younger and even better defenseman.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

For anyone still down on Hronek, go look at Torey Krug's stats (on a Cup Contender, which has had some injuries, in all fairness).


Some were suggesting north of $6m, even $7-8.5 iirc (to entice him here) + Term!

Krug has 1G. Hronek has more EN goals than Krug has goals.

 

[Winger98]

For anyone still down on Hronek, go look at Torey Krug's stats (on a Cup Contender, which has had some injuries, in all fairness).


Some were suggesting north of $6m, even $7-8.5 iirc (to entice him here) + Term!

Krug has 1G. Hronek has more EN goals than Krug has goals.

Krug is holding 23 minutes a night (19:47 at ES), leads their D in points, and is a +6. Yeah, give that guy $7-8m in free agency every year because you are getting your money's worth. And if Hronek keeps going, he's going to be looking at a similar pay day when he gets to that age.

 

[avssuc]

Why on earth would we trade Hronek? Dealing your strong players away, only makes you worse. We literally have no one even close to Hronek right now, so we absolutely keep him.

Because the return is greater in sum? I don't want to move or shop him, but what if someone blows the doors off Yzerman with an offer? I didn't think Stafford would return two 1st's 'plus' a young pro bowl QB... so based on his assumed value, I didn't want him traded.

I asked the question to see what it would cost a team, not to discuss the logic of trading our best young defender, that's covered in the price.

If we're trading away our young, best defenseman, then the return I want is an even younger and even better defenseman.

What if it were a goalie and picks? Again, I'm not suggesting the Wings look to trade him, but what if some GM is in love with Hronek, and believes he's the piece that gets their club a cup?

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Saw this yesterday and thought it was interesting to digest. Kind of reiterates my point earlier on...he's not really creating much of this offense on his own, but rather has been good at making the routine plays that others are doing something more with.



I think some of this can be attributed to being put back on the point for the powerplay. He's very deferential on the point and moves the puck almost exclusively to either flank, which is good because the shots from the point are just mind numbing. But taking Hronek away from the left flank has limited his shooting upside, and it takes away any real chance for him to dart a pass through traffic.

I have been watching him thinking he isn’t nearly as aggressive as he used to be. I think that probably has a lot to do with Blashill.
Ever since turning pro (with the Griffs, WC Czech, and previously with the Wings) he has always been very aggressive and much more active in the O zone.

 

[Gniwder]

I have been watching him thinking he isn’t nearly as aggressive as he used to be. I think that probably has a lot to do with Blashill.

SuperStaal, Djoos, Stecher, DDK, and even Nemeth have driven to the goal. I don't think it's Blash that's holding Hronek back. Something isn't right when Staal is more aggressive offensively than Hronek.

One thing I have noticed is that Blash isn't doing set plays off faceoffs to Mantha or Hronek. Not sure why he quit doing that, did both Mantha and Hronek lose their slappers?

Mike Green had a really good slapper before his shoulder injury, after that it was at the level you saw in Detroit.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]