Hronek, Filip

[RedHawkDown]

He’s great. He makes bad defensive errors sometimes because he’s a kid on an awful team. He will be a 50pt dman for this team for many years.

 

[14ari13]

Hronek now leads the team in points and PP points.
With his 18 points he has outscored out next 3 defencemen combined by 2 points.
All our defence has 27 points, he on his own 18, which is 66%. This is unbelievable.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Perspective:

Zetterberg was a Calder Trophy runner up with 44pts / 79gp = .55ppg
(on a HOF & Cup roster)

Zadina = 29pts/59gp = .49ppg

Hronek = 69pts/140gp = .49ppg


So I guess Zetterberg was "overrated" too? Z wasn't Elite/HOF worthy?


Give the kids a break, they played in the worst season ('19-'20) out of 600+ possible seasons...20yrs x 31 teams.

& w/Flip as 2C + BlashTrash, DiscoDan & DougHoudaThunkIt

Perspective.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Perspective:

Zetterberg was a Calder Trophy runner up with 44pts / 79gp = .55ppg
(on a HOF & Cup roster)

Zadina = 29pts/59gp = .49ppg

Hronek = 69pts/140gp = .49ppg


So I guess Zetterberg was "overrated" too? Z wasn't Elite/HOF worthy?


Give the kids a break, they played in the worst season ('19-'20) out of 600+ possible seasons...20yrs x 31 teams.

& w/Flip as 2C + BlashTrash, DiscoDan & DougHoudaThunkIt

Perspective.

Apples to oranges.

Zetterberg came in and was playing 2/3LW in a defensive role during the peak of the DPE.

Back to Hronek, I'm glad he had a good game last night. I'll give credit where credit is due. I can't think of any outstanding defensive gaffs last night.

...I still don't think that he's anything better than a good 2nd pair guy despite the hot streak.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Just to add some context to this thread, every d man in the NHL that tops 40 points scores around half of those points on the PP so total time on ice seems like a pretty useless stat to bring up. For a team that hasn't drafted and developed a top 4 defenseman in 20 years some people really like to bitch about the first good thing to happen in nearly 2 decades. I'm happy with Hroneks development so far, he still has things to work on but he's young enough that he should be able to round things out. He's a decent 2nd pair guy at worst

They f***ing disgust me almost as much as the coach does.
f***ing jerkoffs

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Sounds like he had a great game last night.

My only complaint or more of a question with Hronek this season is he seems to have regressed defensively which was surprising. And he was playing about the same minutes. Maybe we're all a little traumatized by Cholowski's regression and are afraid it's gonna happen with Hronek.


(Disclaimers: I'm not a hater. I think Hronek is a good young defenseman and will continue to be. I was just pointing out what my particular question was with him this year.)

 

[lilidk]

Even though they're both right handed I'd be really tempted to try Hronek and Seider together next year to be honest.

I prefer Seider with elite defenseman, someone he could learn from.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I prefer Seider with elite defenseman, someone he could learn from.

Bring Chelios back! I really wonder how he'd do as an assistant coach managing our defensemen? As much of an asshole as he was to play against, Chelios had some of the best defensive awareness of any defender I've ever watched. He did wonders teaching Fischer and even had Burt Lebda looking like a passable defenseman for a few seasons.

 

[FabricDetails]

I prefer Seider with elite defenseman, someone he could learn from.

...Elite defensemen that are currently on the Wings? Or perhaps may be acquired next year? Either way, what elite defenseman are you thinking could be an available potential partner for Seider?

Good luck with that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

...Elite defensemen that are currently on the Wings? Or perhaps may be acquired next year? Either way, what elite defenseman are you thinking could be an available potential partner for Seider?

Good luck with that.

I hear that Dylan Larkin guy is besties with that Zach Werenski kid who is an FA in 2022...

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Hronek is a second-pair guy and PP specialist on a cup-caliber team. He is a very good player.

He's a bit exposed on a top pairing, but that doesn't make him a bad defenseman. Put him on a good team in an appropriate spot and he's an every-season 40 point D-man who solidifies a roster.

Hell, at this point he only has 1.5 seasons of NHL experience on a historically bad team. Give the guy a break.

 

[FabricDetails]

I hear that Dylan Larkin guy is besties with that Zach Werenski kid who is an FA in 2022...

Yeah that would be nice. Slightly depending on the cap hit.

But that's not happening this year. Probably not happening next year unless Columbus wants to trade him this summer to get way ahead of the game and not lose him for nothing.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yeah that would be nice. Slightly depending on the cap hit.

But that's not happening this year. Probably not happening next year unless Columbus wants to trade him this summer to get way ahead of the game and not lose him for nothing.

2021-22 is the year that Laine's next contract is due and we all know he's going to eat up a chunk of change. 3 to 4 million dollar raise, possible trade demand and/or holdout.

Jones and Werenski are both due for new contracts in 22-23. I'd expect 2 to 3 million dollar raises for each of them.

Columbus Blue Jackets - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think they're going to be a team that could very well blow it up and contend for a top 3 pick next year.

 

[FabricDetails]

2021-22 is the year that Laine's next contract is due and we all know he's going to eat up a chunk of change. 3 to 4 million dollar raise, possible trade demand and/or holdout.

Jones and Werenski are both due for new contracts in 22-23. I'd expect 2 to 3 million dollar raises for each of them.

Columbus Blue Jackets - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think they're going to be a team that could very well blow it up and contend for a top 3 pick next year.

Hmm... You thinking potentially a sign and trade with Hronek plus a pick and/or a defensive prospect not named Seider for one guaranteed year of Werenski?

 

[lilidk]

...Elite defensemen that are currently on the Wings? Or perhaps may be acquired next year? Either way, what elite defenseman are you thinking could be an available potential partner for Seider?

Good luck with that.

Someone like Chara, old guy, who was elite and knows what whoud it take, who not cost RW much , who like to fill younger playing with Seider. I also heard that Kronwall in Sweden helping our prospects, he could be a coach here

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hmm... You thinking potentially a sign and trade with Hronek plus a pick and/or a defensive prospect not named Seider for one guaranteed year of Werenski?

I didn't say that at all.

...obviously I wouldn't mind it, either. But I don't think that will happen.

I think that Jarmo moves Jones at the TDL next year when it's apparent tha CBJ aren't going to go anywhere. And/or he moves Laine at some point. Where, I don't know. Who else would take a flyer on Laine right now? Who has the assets?

 

[SoupGuru]

What are his best offensive skills, in your opinion? How would you finish the line "He's getting a lot of points because he ________"? Sets up great passes to shooters? Backhand sauce through defenders? Tippable shots on goal? Breakout passes to streaking forwards? What's his offensive calling card?

I look at his game and I struggle to answer that question.

I think it's probably "He gets open to give his teammates options and gets the puck to the next open guy to maintain possession and the territorial advantage" which I honestly think is a hugely underrated part of a successful offense but just doesn't sound sexy.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Someone like Chara, old guy, who was elite and knows what whoud it take, who not cost RW much , who like to fill younger playing with Seider. I also heard that Kronwall in Sweden helping our prospects, he could be a coach here

I will never forget one of the playoff games against the Leafs (one of the series in which the Leafs led 3 games to 1 only to lose the series to the Bruins) in which Chara was directly responsible for multiple Leaf goals in a come from behind victory for the Leafs including the game winner. He made more glaring mistakes which led to goals in one game than Brendan Smith ever did in a game. I have played close attention to Erik Karlsson in a few games against the Wings and he is terrible defensively, not nearly as good defensively as Hronek is and Hronek should still get much better.
As far as Corsi numbers go. I don't think they are very accurate. MBH posted the Corsi stats on Red Wings Center for a Wings game against the Hawks that the Wings won 5-3 (Kubalik scored a goal in the dying seconds) and according to the Corsi stats the Hawks dominated the Wings but they really didn't. And I would think that Corsi stats would look bad for any #1D playing on a shitty team because they play against the opponents top players the most with teammates that aren't as good as the opponents and shitty coaching impacts all stats.

 

[Hen Kolland]

What are his best offensive skills, in your opinion? How would you finish the line "He's getting a lot of points because he ________"? Sets up great passes to shooters? Backhand sauce through defenders? Tippable shots on goal? Breakout passes to streaking forwards? What's his offensive calling card?

I look at his game and I struggle to answer that question.

I think it's probably "He gets open to give his teammates options and gets the puck to the next open guy to maintain possession and the territorial advantage" which I honestly think is a hugely underrated part of a successful offense but just doesn't sound sexy.

It's sad that this is what I default to, but this is going to my personal critical assessment of Hronek. Not to explain why he is bad, but why he isn't anything I plan on being special or a foundational piece.

"He's getting a lot of points because he...is the best option of a bad situation."

He has moments where he has a high danger pass that converts, like the pass to Larkin the other night when he retrieved the puck deep in the offensive zone and spun a pass to the slot to find Larkin streaking. But more often than not, I don't find his assists to be generated by anything special he himself has accomplished. Patrolling the blue line, especially on the powerplay, and making a routine pass to a forward that becomes an assist doesn't really impress me, and could be executed by nearly anyone. I understand this is a bad argument on surface level because "nearly anyone" isn't picking up these counting stats...Hronek is. I just don't see enough from him in terms of stretching the offensive zone on the powerplay particularly; there is no evidence of tendencies of premier offensive defensemen in the league. He's not particularly special skating with the puck, he doesn't activate and penetrate the offensive zone much, his shooting decisions are still very disappointing (in terms of location, timing, and type of shot), and his passes are about as rudimentary as they get (this is true for pretty much everyone on the powerplay).

Obviously I won't turn down the production he's picking up, and it is sustainable assuming his role doesn't change. That being said, the way I'm viewing this is that I am building a contender, and on said contender, I don't want Hronek being one of my top 2 defensemen that I rely on. I'd prefer to keep him around 20 minutes max, completely remove him from the PK entirely (currently playing nearly 2 minutes per game here).

I could live with him being an offensive defenseman because he doesn't generally screw up offense. I think that is seen in his stats. He isn't going to prevent the team from putting up goals, but I don't know how much he is creating extra goals. And this year, and late last year, I can say that he isn't helping prevent goals against nearly enough. So if I can limit his presence in situations where we tend to give up goals, and rely on him to continue to facilitate the better players to create goals, I am fine with him as a depth option.

 

[Frk It]

"He's getting a lot of points because he...is the best option of a bad situation."

Meh, Dekeyser has had no competition on our defense for years and has not been able to put up points and take advantage of the situation.

Neither has literally any other defenseman we've drafted.

Hronek has been regarded as an offensive defenseman since we drafted him. This idea he has no offensive ability and is just compiling points, is trash.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Meh, Dekeyser has had no competition on our defense for years and has not been able to put up points and take advantage of the situation.

Neither has literally any other defenseman we've drafted.

Hronek has been regarded as an offensive defenseman since we drafted him. This idea he has no offensive ability and is just compiling points, is trash.

Dekeyser is not as good as Hronek, so I don’t think I’m surprised at the discrepancy.

Hronek is billed as an offense defenseman the same way that Mantha is a billed as a power forward. Sometimes you have to be categorized as the thing you most resemble, but it doesn’t mean that you are a perfect fit, nor a special version of one.

We know you are extremely fond of Hronek, and it’s okay to have your favorites. I’m commenting as someone who has watched damn near every game the past 3 seasons to watch his highs and lows. At the NHL level, he is not a special offensive defenseman, he’s a good offensive defenseman. The means by which he has accumulated his points and the way he plays the game does not indicate flashes of an underutilized offensive ability. I just think we have seen what he is as an offensive defenseman, which is good.

 

[Frk It]

Dekeyser is not as good as Hronek, so I don’t think I’m surprised at the discrepancy.

Hronek is billed as an offense defenseman the same way that Mantha is a billed as a power forward. Sometimes you have to be categorized as the thing you most resemble, but it doesn’t mean that you are a perfect fit, nor a special version of one.

We know you are extremely fond of Hronek, and it’s okay to have your favorites. I’m commenting as someone who has watched damn near every game the past 3 seasons to watch his highs and lows. At the NHL level, he is not a special offensive defenseman, he’s a good offensive defenseman. The means by which he has accumulated his points and the way he plays the game does not indicate flashes of an underutilized offensive ability. I just think we have seen what he is as an offensive defenseman, which is good.

I think some of what you are saying is fair.

It just feels a lot to me like how everyone shit on Kronwall when his role elevated after Lidstrom left, and that always bugged the hell out of me.

I’ve said since early on, I see Hronek as likely in the same vein as a guy like Justin Faulk. I always hoped he could become more of an all minutes guy like a young Letang/Subban, but never expected that.

I just think we are being a bit overly critical of a guy 1) doing something no defenseman we’ve drafted in a long time has, 2) on a team bereft of weapons, 3) and that is still developing.

 

[FedorTyutin]

So how much do we think Hronek's next contract is gonna earn him in terms of AAV?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So how much do we think Hronek's next contract is gonna earn him in terms of AAV?

I think similar to the Mikhail Sergachev deal $4,800,000 x 3 years give or take.

 

[Pavels Dog]

What are his best offensive skills, in your opinion? How would you finish the line "He's getting a lot of points because he ________"? Sets up great passes to shooters? Backhand sauce through defenders? Tippable shots on goal? Breakout passes to streaking forwards? What's his offensive calling card?

I look at his game and I struggle to answer that question.

I think it's probably "He gets open to give his teammates options and gets the puck to the next open guy to maintain possession and the territorial advantage" which I honestly think is a hugely underrated part of a successful offense but just doesn't sound sexy.

I would say his shot but it's obviously not been that effective this season.

Think he can be a D-man that has some years at 15-20 goals though.

Other than that he's got good offensive instincts but there's not one things that stands out as truly elite or anything, he's just good at getting involved and creating offense.