Winnipeg had a team and refused to do what was necessary (build a new arena) to keep it.reej said:My two cents..
Who cares?
It's not like we can do anything about having hockey in Carolina, Florida, and Nashville. And hey, you never know, there might be a team in Winnipeg someday.
I saw it. I was just adding to your post and sarcasm.reej said:Notice the sarcasm smile, gnash.
I agree.... living in SoCal for 6+ years... plenty of american's live and dream it.I in the Eye said:Die-hard Canadian hockey fans live & dream hockey... Die-hard American hockey fans live & dream hockey... I see absolutely no reason that even more American hockey fans can't become die-hard fans and live & dream hockey as well... IMO, there is nothing that goes into 'love for hockey' that separates Canadians from Americans, except being exposed to hockey and our respected teams for much longer... Evidence: Detroit, Chicago, Boston, NYR, NYI... What makes these US cities 'hockey markets' is that they've had hockey in these markets for many years - and therefore, they have many more die-hard fans... A 'hockey market', IMO, can be defined simply as how many die-hard fans for the team live within the geographical area - and therefore, follow and support their team during good and not-so-good times... I believe that there are die-hard Toronto fans who love the leafs... Die-hard Canuck fan who love the Canucks... and die-hard Carolina fans who love the Hurricanes... In time, there will be many more Carolina fans who love the Hurricanes... Give the franchise 30-years, and there is no reason that the Hurricanes can't have a following that resembles the best 'hockey markets' in the NHL... especially if the Hurricanes reach the Stanley Cup finals once every 4 years... A Father takes his kids to these Stanley Cup finals, and when the kids become adults, take their kids to the Stanley Cup finals, etc... We aren't born with 'love for hockey', it is learned... If we've had this 'love for hockey' since children, it can seem like we were born with it (as we've never really known life without it)... But we are born with the shape of our nose... the colour of our hair... not love for hockey...
How many years do we give a US hockey market before giving up on it? IMO, if it's a big US market (potential for huge revenue growth), we don't give up on it... We nurture it...
Chicago is a great case for Canadian's too... TAKE note.....theMessiah1194 said:Yea, I don't know what happened with Chicago, an original 6 team, a hockey town, but the team is horrible, and people don't even care. It's said when the Chicago Wolves get more people coming to the games than the Hawks do. And personally hockey in the south is good, there are a lot of people down there, who could get into hockey.
I think it's a reasonable post/thread to be frank....TransportedUpstater said:Dear Moderators:
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LOCK THIS THREAD!
Sincerely,
TransportedUpstater
That's because you haven't seen a thousand of these already, and they all turn out the same.SharksDownUnder said:I think it's a reasonable post/thread to be frank....
That's your best line yet, really. Get over yourself and your wishful thinking!BigE said:It's obvious that most of what I'm saying is way over your head
Sotnos said:That's your best line yet, really. Get over yourself and your wishful thinking!
Timmy, your posts in this thread are golden, but trying to knock sense into this guy seems to be a total waste of time since he doesn't even acknowledge FACTS like what states have population growth.
Again, this thread is , maybe once we get a few more pages someone will notice it and it'll get closed.
Sotnos said:That's your best line yet, really. Get over yourself and your wishful thinking!
Timmy, your posts in this thread are golden, but trying to knock sense into this guy seems to be a total waste of time since he doesn't even acknowledge FACTS like what states have population growth.
Again, this thread is , maybe once we get a few more pages someone will notice it and it'll get closed.
cws said:But that guy reminded me so much of a few others from before that I had to get in on it.
Timmy said:...and it's a good thing you did.
Debates like this are fun.
They're like Oktoberfest, with much drinking and debating.
Without the beer.
Or the women.
Actually, you'd have been better off going to the political board, where people really know how to throw a party and make you feel welcome...
Sotnos said:That's your best line yet, really. Get over yourself and your wishful thinking!
Timmy, your posts in this thread are golden, but trying to knock sense into this guy seems to be a total waste of time since he doesn't even acknowledge FACTS like what states have population growth.
Again, this thread is , maybe once we get a few more pages someone will notice it and it'll get closed.
cws said:I remember running into a few guys like this BigE during the lockout. Logic and facts tended to muck up their rants, so they were replaced with circular arguments that were flawed from the start and insults as to the intelligence of anyone who dared take a different position. Which as we all know is the best way to win in any debate
I almost always stay away from these types of southern bashing threads, they all start and end the same. Though it is sometimes interesting to see how the bashers are made to look like complete fools, even moreso when they don't realize it. But that guy reminded me so much of a few others from before that I had to get in on it.
BigE said:Bring on the logic and facts - I'm still waiting for more than just this year's attendance, and bleak references to population trends to bolster any argument for expansion or relocation into the South.
BigE said:Bring on the logic and facts - I'm still waiting for more than just this year's attendance
It's a PROVEN market??BigE said:Vancouver, and you do neither.
In fact, you do exactly what the NHL and the Canucks did by supporting its existing markets and building a new arena in 1995.
For what it's worth the Pacific Colisieum only held 16150, something very similar to the old Winnipeg Arena.
You've got a PROVEN hockey market, WITH an expanding population, and at the time a strong provincial economy. Lets also factor in the time period for the NHL where hockey WAS actually the best live sport in the world, and over-saturation of the product was not a factor. Ten to Eleven years later....well, you get the picture.
BigE said:You've got a PROVEN hockey market, WITH an expanding population, and at the time a strong provincial economy. Lets also factor in the time period for the NHL where hockey WAS actually the best live sport in the world, and over-saturation of the product was not a factor. Ten to Eleven years later....well, you get the picture.
How about you quit insulting me and pretty much every hockey fan I know instead? I didn't start with the personal stuff. Again, you're not presenting anything other than your opinion, so what is there to debate about?BigE said:You're so upset that I've questioned your intelligence that you're paying no attention to the argument at hand. Leave your feelings at home the next time you want to get into a debate.
BigE said:You've got a PROVEN hockey market, WITH an expanding population, and at the time a strong provincial economy. Lets also factor in the time period for the NHL where hockey WAS actually the best live sport in the world, and over-saturation of the product was not a factor. Ten to Eleven years later....well, you get the picture.
BigE said:You're so upset that I've questioned your intelligence that you're paying no attention to the argument at hand. Leave your feelings at home the next time you want to get into a debate.