I can definitely buy that the developers want to give you a more cinematic experience where you are always at the center of things at the right time, and if you only play the game one or two times it's probably even more fun. In my case though it's a bad thing because what I like about the series above all other games is the replay value. It's so fun to discover new approaches in the old games and sometimes you feel like not even developers thought of doing what you did (though obviously they did). It just feels a bit too obvious now that you're following someone else's plan.
Hitman (2016)
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I can definitely buy that the developers want to give you a more cinematic experience where you are always at the center of things at the right time, and if you only play the game one or two times it's probably even more fun. In my case though it's a bad thing because what I like about the series above all other games is the replay value. It's so fun to discover new approaches in the old games and sometimes you feel like not even developers thought of doing what you did (though obviously they did). It just feels a bit too obvious now that you're following someone else's plan.
Do Make Say Think
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I think you will still be able to find alternative approaches to certain situations.
You'll just need to go through certain check points instead of b-lining it to make it to a certain point before the target
The challenge will be of a different nature but who knows? Maybe it will enhance it in an unforeseen way?
You'll just need to go through certain check points instead of b-lining it to make it to a certain point before the target
The challenge will be of a different nature but who knows? Maybe it will enhance it in an unforeseen way?
I was getting some slowdown on the boat when alot of people are around. otherwise seems okay
ill talk about gameplay after ive played through it a couple more times. on the whole very satisfied with some reservations
so I completed every feat, discovery and challenge across both maps. took me about 4 or 5 hours as I needed a good few alternate playthroughs to do each kill type and an extra couple for the perfect assassin feat
overall im really happy with how its shaping up. the only time I got annoyed was on the first mission, I planted a bomb in Sparrow's office and went back to start to get ready to blow it. but the meeting never happened. Sparrow and the other dude just stood beside each other with nothing happening. I had to go back onto the boat, get into disguise and stand near them to make the meeting happen. but frustrating but yeah
small complaint for an otherwise very fun experience so far
overall im really happy with how its shaping up. the only time I got annoyed was on the first mission, I planted a bomb in Sparrow's office and went back to start to get ready to blow it. but the meeting never happened. Sparrow and the other dude just stood beside each other with nothing happening. I had to go back onto the boat, get into disguise and stand near them to make the meeting happen. but frustrating but yeah
small complaint for an otherwise very fun experience so far
Everyone in the level only exists for your sake and it makes you feel like Jim Carrey in The Truman Show rather than an unexpected assassin who comes from nowhere and screws up someone's day. For me that's a big problem, even though everything else is great about the Beta. Hopefully it won't be as obvious in the actual game.
the only other time this was an issue was doing the one where you disguise yourself as the dude the Sparrow is meeting. he WILL NOT move from his car until you board the boat and theres nowhere on the boat to subdue him. took me a while to realise you have to chain coins together to make him walk behind the wood panels at the back lol
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Frankie Spankie
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I watched Lirik play the beta the other day, the writing and voice acting is so laughably bad, I actually want to play it for the laughs. Here are some of the hilarious lines I heard guards say:
"You can't just go around knocking people out like that" (this is while 47 was disguised as a guard and was just knocking random people out.)
"Oh my God! He's a murderer!" (a guard said this after killing somebody, maybe a beta bug doing a civilian's voice but the voice was the same from the above, unless they have the same person voicing guards and civilians which is just confusing.)
"Is that a man up there?" (a guard seeing you being suspicious on a higher platform.)
The voice acting itself is really bad too. It seriously sounded like some college kid who was like "oh man, do I have to do this? Fine, let's just get it over with."
The gameplay looked fine for what I expect from a beta. Some dumb bugs, but a beta is meant to have them. It did look like it'd be fun, but man, that voice acting.
"You can't just go around knocking people out like that" (this is while 47 was disguised as a guard and was just knocking random people out.)
"Oh my God! He's a murderer!" (a guard said this after killing somebody, maybe a beta bug doing a civilian's voice but the voice was the same from the above, unless they have the same person voicing guards and civilians which is just confusing.)
"Is that a man up there?" (a guard seeing you being suspicious on a higher platform.)
The voice acting itself is really bad too. It seriously sounded like some college kid who was like "oh man, do I have to do this? Fine, let's just get it over with."
The gameplay looked fine for what I expect from a beta. Some dumb bugs, but a beta is meant to have them. It did look like it'd be fun, but man, that voice acting.
well yes, but its contrary to the structure of the gameplay, and that can be a problem
you dont see any issue with the example I posted with the meeting? Im forced to jump through the games arbitrary hoop that doesnt make any sense in the context of the scenario
like I said its a small thing, but its part of what made Blood Money great
Beau Knows
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It breaks the immersion when the world just waits around for you. It can also limit the gameplay possibilities since you might have to hit a certain checkpoint to activate the NPC.
Beau Knows
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That's an overly simplistic point of view. What a lot of people enjoyed about Hitman was the freedom the game provided. In fact one of the best aspects was that you could over think your entire mission and go about it any way you wanted. When you require the player to be at a certain spot to trigger some event or NPC behavior it can limit that. I already played a Hitman game (Absolution) where they limited your choices, and it was disappointing.
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Beau Knows
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Never said nothing could be gained. They obviously made that choice for a reason, probably to have more control over what the players sees and does to allow for more scripted events. But personally I don't think the pros outweigh the cons and it's a disappointing change from the old Hitman games.
I think theres an acceptable limitation
overhearing a conversation that only happens when you are nearby, im fine with that
the example I posted, where it gets in the way of gameplay doesnt feel right to me. I hope theres as few examples of this in the full game as possible
MoreMogilny
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Live Component info
Q: What exactly is the "live component"?
A: It covers many things. Get ready for a long read.
Elusive Targets
The Contracts that are available for a limited-time are what we call Elusive Targets. An Elusive Target is the closest thing to the Hitman fantasy that we've ever created. These targets will be custom-created characters that are added to existing locations and are only there for a limited time in real-time. You'll only have one chance to take them down. If they escape, they are gone for good. If you kill them, that's the way that you killed them. There are no do-overs and no second chances. When an Elusive Target leaves the game world (one way or another) they never return.
Each Elusive Target will have a custom briefing video, a backstory and a unique reason for being in that location. When you're actually playing in the location, the Elusive Target will not appear on the map and will not appear in Instinct. In order to find them, you'll need to use clues from the briefing video and a photograph that you will be able to review. You'll need to explore, find your target, learn their patterns and come up with a plan to eliminate them - all whilst playing. The pressure will be on when you've got the target in your sights. If you miss the shot and chaos breaks loose, you will need to have a plan B, because the save-game is disabled during an Elusive Target. If you kill the wrong person or die when trying to exfiltrate, that's it. Game over, the target escapes.
As the season unfolds, you’ll earn in-game rewards for completing multiple Elusive Target contracts. The rewards are signature suits from previous Hitman games and versions of those suits with gloves. There’s also a version of the signature suit from the new HITMAN with gloves.
We know that Elusive Targets are not going to be easy, they were designed that way.
Escalation Mode
Escalation Mode is something else completely new for HITMAN and was created as a way to regularly provide a fresh challenge to players. You'll need to master the location as well as the gameplay mechanics to complete a hit that will escalate in difficulty by adding new elements. As an example, the first stage could be to eliminate your target with a sabre. Then, the second stage could be to eliminate your target with a sabre whilst dressed as a waiter and removing any security camera recordings within two minutes. We are able to change where the security cameras are and also add additional ‘security’ measures to the locations, such as laser trip-wire explosives that you’ll need to avoid.
Escalation Mode has a strong focus on having fun with the game mechanics and mixing them up – pretty much anything goes in this mode. It’s more about being playful than realistic. For each Escalation Contract, there are five stages and you're free to replay them as you wish to climb the leaderboards. As with Elusive Targets, the save-game functions are disabled.
All Escalation contracts and Elusive Targets are created by IOI and will be released between the location releases as part of the live content.
Contracts Mode
On top of those new features, we also have Contracts Mode. You'll know this from Absolution. Play-to-create, mark your own targets, choose how to kill them and compete against your friends. IOI will also pick the best of the bunch and put them in the Featured Contracts list so you've got something fresh to play whenever you load up the game.
Q: What exactly is the "live component"?
A: It covers many things. Get ready for a long read.
Elusive Targets
The Contracts that are available for a limited-time are what we call Elusive Targets. An Elusive Target is the closest thing to the Hitman fantasy that we've ever created. These targets will be custom-created characters that are added to existing locations and are only there for a limited time in real-time. You'll only have one chance to take them down. If they escape, they are gone for good. If you kill them, that's the way that you killed them. There are no do-overs and no second chances. When an Elusive Target leaves the game world (one way or another) they never return.
Each Elusive Target will have a custom briefing video, a backstory and a unique reason for being in that location. When you're actually playing in the location, the Elusive Target will not appear on the map and will not appear in Instinct. In order to find them, you'll need to use clues from the briefing video and a photograph that you will be able to review. You'll need to explore, find your target, learn their patterns and come up with a plan to eliminate them - all whilst playing. The pressure will be on when you've got the target in your sights. If you miss the shot and chaos breaks loose, you will need to have a plan B, because the save-game is disabled during an Elusive Target. If you kill the wrong person or die when trying to exfiltrate, that's it. Game over, the target escapes.
As the season unfolds, you’ll earn in-game rewards for completing multiple Elusive Target contracts. The rewards are signature suits from previous Hitman games and versions of those suits with gloves. There’s also a version of the signature suit from the new HITMAN with gloves.
We know that Elusive Targets are not going to be easy, they were designed that way.
Escalation Mode
Escalation Mode is something else completely new for HITMAN and was created as a way to regularly provide a fresh challenge to players. You'll need to master the location as well as the gameplay mechanics to complete a hit that will escalate in difficulty by adding new elements. As an example, the first stage could be to eliminate your target with a sabre. Then, the second stage could be to eliminate your target with a sabre whilst dressed as a waiter and removing any security camera recordings within two minutes. We are able to change where the security cameras are and also add additional ‘security’ measures to the locations, such as laser trip-wire explosives that you’ll need to avoid.
Escalation Mode has a strong focus on having fun with the game mechanics and mixing them up – pretty much anything goes in this mode. It’s more about being playful than realistic. For each Escalation Contract, there are five stages and you're free to replay them as you wish to climb the leaderboards. As with Elusive Targets, the save-game functions are disabled.
All Escalation contracts and Elusive Targets are created by IOI and will be released between the location releases as part of the live content.
Contracts Mode
On top of those new features, we also have Contracts Mode. You'll know this from Absolution. Play-to-create, mark your own targets, choose how to kill them and compete against your friends. IOI will also pick the best of the bunch and put them in the Featured Contracts list so you've got something fresh to play whenever you load up the game.
Heisenberg77
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I'm not appealed to the replay value of the beta. I just wanna do the the mission once, and do things my way. Replaying the mission while following certain rules is lame.
Hopefully the main game isn't like this. There's gonna be BOAT LOADS of targets in the map right?
Hopefully the main game isn't like this. There's gonna be BOAT LOADS of targets in the map right?
