Player Discussion: Hickey

[wingnutks]

He was better than Leddy, Boychuk, and Vis? Okay..

He had 3.1 times the amount of turnovers in the Florida series than Nick Leddy had when he won the Cup.

THIS SEASON, Hickey has the best GA/60 of all our Dmen(2nd best of ALL players) AND the best GF/60 of all of our Dmen(6th best of ALL players). Also he is a positive relative corsi on the team, while having the 2nd highest defensive zone starts for dmen on the team. 3rd in points by Dmen on the team while getting no PP time, only trailing Leddy/Pulock who both play on the PP all the time.

 

[beach]

I'd like to thank Hickey for his years of service. I wish him luck when he's gone.

Which probably won't be for another two years. I think he re-signs.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

THIS SEASON, Hickey has the best GA/60 of all our Dmen(2nd best of ALL players) AND the best GF/60 of all of our Dmen(6th best of ALL players). Also he is a positive relative corsi on the team, while having the 2nd highest defensive zone starts for dmen on the team. 3rd in points by Dmen on the team while getting no PP time, only trailing Leddy/Pulock who both play on the PP all the time.

And yet I see nightmare sequences like him getting overpowered leading to a goal against the Devils. We need a better d core-understatement of the year, built for the playoffs. Leddy, Boychuk, Pulock-go from there.

 

[YearlyLottery]

THIS SEASON, Hickey has the best GA/60 of all our Dmen(2nd best of ALL players) AND the best GF/60 of all of our Dmen(6th best of ALL players). Also he is a positive relative corsi on the team, while having the 2nd highest defensive zone starts for dmen on the team. 3rd in points by Dmen on the team while getting no PP time, only trailing Leddy/Pulock who both play on the PP all the time.

The way you talk about Hickey makes it seem you see him more than a bottom pairing defenseman which is laughable. You don't think Hickey is a top four defenseman... Do you?

 

[seafoam]

Which probably won't be for another two years. I think he re-signs.

Depth guy approaching or at back end of career?

3 years at 3.5M per!

The Depth Special from Snow!

 

[beach]

The way you talk about Hickey makes it seem you see him more than a bottom pairing defenseman which is laughable. You don't think Hickey is a top four defenseman... Do you?

He's not saying that at all. It's not his fault that as a solid 5-6, he was better than most of the Isles 1-4 D-men.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Pulock became full time NHL in this his 5th season since being drafted. Dehaan became full time NHL in his 5th season since being drafted. There is plenty of room here for Hickey . However , maybe he has already been offered a contract and wants to go UFA.
That would be the smart play

 

[Riseonfire]

He'll get more money elsewhere. He's gone.

 

[YearlyLottery]

He's not saying that at all. It's not his fault that as a solid 5-6, he was better than most of the Isles 1-4 D-men.

Really? You read his posts and think he alludes to the fact that Hickey is merely a solid #5/6? He defends the guy like that's his son. Hickey is a bottom pairing defenseman. Nothing special.

 

[Palfmeister]

THIS SEASON, Hickey has the best GA/60 of all our Dmen(2nd best of ALL players) AND the best GF/60 of all of our Dmen(6th best of ALL players). Also he is a positive relative corsi on the team, while having the 2nd highest defensive zone starts for dmen on the team. 3rd in points by Dmen on the team while getting no PP time, only trailing Leddy/Pulock who both play on the PP all the time.

He is also +20 on the team that gave up the most goals in the league. To your point about being 3rd in points, if you take away Leddy's PP points he's literally 3 points behind him at ES in many less games played. The spread between Hickey and Leddy's +/- is 62. Pretty jarring numbers. But ya know...that one play against the Devils and stuff.

 

[YesCubed]

Hickey was solid and probably the 3rd best d-man on the team this year. Having said that, he's a bottom-pairing guy on an actual NHL teams. He's going to want a raise from 2.2 million, as well. I think he's gone.

 

[wingnutks]

The way you talk about Hickey makes it seem you see him more than a bottom pairing defenseman which is laughable. You don't think Hickey is a top four defenseman... Do you?

He's not saying that at all. It's not his fault that as a solid 5-6, he was better than most of the Isles 1-4 D-men.

^^^This is literally exactly what I am saying

 

[YearlyLottery]

^^^This is literally exactly what I am saying

Woo hoo he is a #6 defenseman. Would rather have more Leddy's on the team than the other way around. Are we really trying to celebrate a bottom pairing guy?.

 

[wingnutks]

Woo hoo he is a #6 defenseman. Would rather have more Leddy's on the team than the other way around. Are we really trying to celebrate a bottom pairing guy?.

If Leddy had average speed he might not even be a #6 dman. Having the speed Leddy has is a HUGE benefit for tracking guys down, and preventing odd man rushes. Outside of that Leddy is not good a defenseman. In fact once the other team gains our zone, Leddy is probably one of the worst dmen on the team(outside of par time guys Sieds and Mayfield). There is also a reason Boychuk is still very effective even though he is a worse skater than Hickey and much worse skater than Leddy. IMO, you think Leddy is better than he actually is, and Hickey is worse than he actually is. It may be reverse recency bias but I think our best all around Dman is CDH.

 

[seabass45]

Hickey's being interviewed right now, says he knows the team has higher priorities to deal with (ahem) but he'd like to come back if possible. I don't think there's room but you could do worse than him as a 6/7.

 

[beach]

Woo hoo he is a #6 defenseman. Would rather have more Leddy's on the team than the other way around. Are we really trying to celebrate a bottom pairing guy?.

When the Isles actually go out and get top pairing guys, we could stop celebrating bottom pairing guys. But when your bottom pairing guy performed better than most of the D men on the team, it is what it is.

 

[wingnutks]

Hickey's being interviewed right now, says he knows the team has higher priorities to deal with (ahem) but he'd like to come back if possible. I don't think there's room but you could do worse than him as a 6/7.

I would sign him instantly for actual #5/#6 money. However the Mayfield contract makes it hard.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

I would sign him instantly for actual #5/#6 money. However the Mayfield contract makes it hard.

I would thank him instantly, then move on to the next guy.

 

[YearlyLottery]

If Leddy had average speed he might not even be a #6 dman. Having the speed Leddy has is a HUGE benefit for tracking guys down, and preventing odd man rushes. Outside of that Leddy is not good a defenseman. In fact once the other team gains our zone, Leddy is probably one of the worst dmen on the team(outside of par time guys Sieds and Mayfield). There is also a reason Boychuk is still very effective even though he is a worse skater than Hickey and much worse skater than Leddy. IMO, you think Leddy is better than he actually is, and Hickey is worse than he actually is. It may be reverse recency bias but I think our best all around Dman is CDH.

No no no no.. But Leddy does NOT have average speed. This is a stupid argument.

Oh well what if Barzal wasn't so fast? No, but he is fast. I don't even know how to approach this post.

 

[BelovedIsles]

We’ve got bigger fish to fry.

 

[wingnutks]

No no no no.. But Leddy does NOT have average speed. This is a stupid argument.

Oh well what if Barzal wasn't so fast? No, but he is fast. I don't even know how to approach this post.

Because his speed only helps in transition offense and defense. Same reason he is not a good PP QB, also why he is not good at sustained pressure either, because for both of those times his speed is neutralized and not as much of a factor. He is also the least "intense" dman on the team. The number of times he has coasted to a puck in the corner, only to turn on the jets last minute when he sees an opposing player challenging him to it, and then loose the race is mind boggling. So many of those times has resulted in a puck that gets in, or stays in our zone. And yes, it is an argument. Leddy DOESNT have average speed however, Barzal has more than just above average speed, hes got hands, passing skill, a good defensive stick, and situational IQ... Leddy doesnt, or at least hasent displayed it this year. There is a reason Coach Q did not trust him in the playoffs. He is WAY too laid back, and lacks intensity, and he doesn't nearly make up for it in offensive skill.

 

[wingnutks]

I would thank him instantly, then move on to the next guy.

Mayfield is your next guy

 

[YearlyLottery]

Because his speed only helps in transition offense and defense. Same reason he is not a good PP QB, also why he is not good at sustained pressure either, because for both of those times his speed is neutralized and not as much of a factor. He is also the least "intense" dman on the team. The number of times he has coasted to a puck in the corner, only to turn on the jets last minute when he sees an opposing player challenging him to it, and then loose the race is mind boggling. So many of those times has resulted in a puck that gets in, or stays in our zone. And yes, it is an argument. Leddy DOESNT have average speed however, Barzal has more than just above average speed, hes got hands, passing skill, a good defensive stick, and situational IQ... Leddy doesnt, or at least hasent displayed it this year. There is a reason Coach Q did not trust him in the playoffs. He is WAY too laid back, and lacks intensity, and he doesn't nearly make up for it in offensive skill.

Maybe Chicago didn't trust him considering he was not close to as developed as he is now. Glad you judge players on "intensity". Barzal does have more than that which is why he is a superstar, whereas Leddy is a great second pairing defenseman.

 

[wingnutks]

Maybe Chicago didn't trust him considering he was not close to as developed as he is now. Glad you judge players on "intensity". Barzal does have more than that which is why he is a superstar, whereas Leddy is a great second pairing defenseman.

So our #1 dman performing like a #4 dman... not the problem
Our #6 dman performing like a #5 dman... definitely the problem

Cool.

 

[YearlyLottery]

So our #1 dman performing like a #4 dman... not the problem
Our #6 dman performing like a #5 dman... definitely the problem

Cool.

It's not Leddy's fault Snow sees him as a #1 bonafide top pairing defenseman. I'm just saying who cares about Hickey playing as a #5 instead of a #6. I guess the small things in life bring people satisfaction.