Have the canucks quietly built up a solid prospect pool?

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Based on being the worst team cumulatively for the last 3 years....the ABSOLUTE worst.... we are really really behind in the prospect pool. We should have 1-3 top top rookies.

Blown picks on Virtanen / McCaan / Juolevi. These are really high picks that we needed to hit on. I am ok with missing on 2nd rounders + but top 10 picks need to be locks, and we screwed up a few of them.

Yeah we got Petterson but he has 0 NHL games, and we were lucky Boeser turned out (although I'm still not convinced he will even be the same after 2 major injuries, could be a PP specialist with his shot).

We underachieved for the level of suck and the longevity of our suck. We are worse than the leafs and oilers the last few years with no Matthews , McDavid, Marner, or Draisaitl to show for it.

Anything less than Nylander,Pasternak,Demko,Tryamkin,Forsling just won't feed the bulldog will it..?

Benning drafted 5 players in the 2014 draft who have played/are playing in the NHL..Last time that happened in a Canuck draft was 21 years ago..

 

[Melvin]

What is a “tweener” exactly?

Someone who is both a brilliant pick by James Elmer Benning and also a terrible player that Benning was brilliant enough to trade for garbage.

See also: Forsling, Gustav

 

[CanaFan]

Anything less than Nylander,Pasternak,Demko,Tryamkin,Forsling just won't feed the bulldog will it..?

Benning drafted 5 players in the 2014 draft who have played/are playing in the NHL..Last time that happened in a Canuck draft was 21 years ago..

True but the fact that two of those were traded away for dismal returns while the highest pick of the bunch is well behind his peers speaks to the other half of the frustration with Benning.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Anything less than Nylander,Pasternak,Demko,Tryamkin,Forsling just won't feed the bulldog will it..?

Benning drafted 5 players in the 2014 draft who have played/are playing in the NHL..Last time that happened in a Canuck draft was 21 years ago..

What a skewed stat. 5 players that played in the NHL? I could make the canucks team and I can barely skate.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Someone who is both a brilliant pick by James Elmer Benning and also a terrible player that Benning was brilliant enough to trade for garbage.

See also: Forsling, Gustav

Tweener? We traded him for nothing, but he would be a regular in our top 6, and probably top 4.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Anything less than Nylander,Pasternak,Demko,Tryamkin,Forsling just won't feed the bulldog will it..?

Benning drafted 5 players in the 2014 draft who have played/are playing in the NHL..Last time that happened in a Canuck draft was 21 years ago..

Uh...how many of those are on the team? It never ceases to amaze me how willing certain people are to praise Benning for his drafting players while totally ignoring how his ineptitude cost us those players.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Uh...how many of those are on the team? It never ceases to amaze me how willing certain people are to praise Benning for his drafting players while totally ignoring how his ineptitude cost us those players.

At least he can draft ...and at the end of the day,they are 'assets',whether we keep them or not..Sure beats the hell out of an entire decade of 'sweet f*** all' from the draft doesn't it?.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

What a skewed stat. 5 players that played in the NHL? I could make the canucks team and I can barely skate.

Well thats the all time reply to to any post on these boards isn't it?..I guess you completely destroyed me on that one.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

At least he can draft ...and at the end of the day,they are 'assets',whether we keep them or not..Sure beats the hell out of an entire decade of 'sweet **** all' from the draft doesn't it?.

Considering we get the same amount of players, no it doesn't. Out of this great 2014 draft that produced 5 players in the NHL, only two are still with the team and only one is still tracking to actually be good. At the rate Benning actually gets talent out of the draft, the Canucks will be ready to compete in about twenty years from now.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Considering we get the same amount of players, no it doesn't. Out of this great 2014 draft that produced 5 players in the NHL, only two are still with the team and only one is still tracking to actually be good. At the rate Benning actually gets talent out of the draft, the Canucks will be ready to compete in about twenty years from now.

Demko..Great pick...Tryamkin..Great pick (could see him back here in a couple of years)..and there's Virtanen..he's got to be a bust,am I getting that right?...Cripes,after 12 years of practically nothing in the draft,some peeps just have to complain.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Tryamkin...great pick that we don't have. Virtanen...20 point season. Oo ahh. Demko...the only guy we still expect anything out of and has played exactly one NHL game so far.

12 years of practically nothing followed by 4 more years of practically nothing. There's a reason to complain.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Tryamkin...great pick that we don't have. Virtanen...20 point season. Oo ahh. Demko...the only guy we still expect anything out of and has played exactly one NHL game so far.

12 years of practically nothing followed by 4 more years of practically nothing. There's a reason to complain.

So we don't even currently have a prospect pool then?..Okey dokey.....just ..ya know ..'death by a thousand cuts' and stuff...

 

[ProstheticConscience]

So we don't even currently have a prospect pool then?..Okey dokey.....just ..ya know ..'death by a thousand cuts' and stuff...

Yeah, we have a prospect pool. As has been said about a million times a day here. Whoop de f***ing do. What have we got at the NHL level in four years? Boeser and...not a lot.

 

[Zombotron]

We have an okay prospect pool which is rather underwhelming relative to where it should be after four years, even with Elias Pettersson and Thatcher Demko, whom I've been massive supporters of. Ipso f***ing facto. The complete and utter lack of stud defensemen in the system are what hold me back from calling it a solid prospect pool.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

So we don't even currently have a prospect pool then?..Okey dokey.....just ..ya know ..'death by a thousand cuts' and stuff...

I doubt anybody is disputing that Demko, Boeser (Brackett) and Pettersson (Gradin) are fantastic picks.

Pettersson is the only reason our prospect pool is above average. Every team has Lind( 49.5% chance to make the NHL ), Gadjovich ( 24.5% ) and Palmu (13%) type prospects. Don't get me wrong, they were great value for where they were chosen. Recent drafts always look better then they are, give the players time "to not make the NHL."

I think @ProstheticConscience did not mean we "don't even currently have a prospect pool." But rather that our drafting has not been that much better then before. Remember that Dahlin and Goldobin, while solid prospects, are not drafted by us.

(was so slow to type that PC replied for him self before me)

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

We have an okay prospect pool which is rather underwhelming relative to where it should be after four years, even with Elias Pettersson and Thatcher Demko, whom I've been massive supporters of. Ipso ****ing facto. The complete and utter lack of stud defensemen in the system are what hold me back from calling it a solid prospect pool.

Is two possible 'elite players' out of four just okay?.. the other two are slow starters out of the gate,but until they play,we cannot really judge..I get where you're coming from as far as the D is concerned,but hitting on players outside of the 1st round (which I have full confidence that Benning and Brackett can do) enables you to build organizational depth,and build up the asset pool that will enable us to trade for a D if need be.

 

[VanJack]

Safe to say it's been a long time, if ever, since an NHL team was debuting both the teenage SHL scoring champion and the Hobey Baker winner in the same season. Add in Demko an AHL all-star and possibly Dahlen, the Allvenskan player of the year. Joining Boeser who was a finalist in the Calder voting.

I get the fact that every team in the NHL has prospects they're optimistic about, but every one of those guys coming to training camp for the Canucks this fall is virtually a 'sure thing'. Just an issue of how good they'll be.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Safe to say it's been a long time, if ever, since an NHL team was debuting both the teenage SHL scoring champion and the Hobey Baker winner in the same season. Add in Demko an AHL all-star and possibly Dahlen, the Allvenskan player of the year. Joining Boeser who was a finalist in the Calder voting.

I get the fact that every team in the NHL has prospects they're optimistic about, but every one of those guys coming to training camp for the Canucks this fall is virtually a 'sure thing'. Just an issue of how good they'll be.

I hope they don't throw Demko to the wolves next year. Another season in the AHL is due.

 

[lawrence]

following this team for almost 2 decades did many studies on the team, once again I believe this is one of the strongest prospects pools I have ever seen since the summer of 2000. Since then nothing is nearly close, the early 2010's was a wimper of false hope in the Hodgson Schroeder, Rodin times.

also not sure w.t.f does the 2014 draft or trades made during that year have to do with the Canucks today's prospects pool of 2018. All teams will go through this were they make a pick and it doesn't work out. Even if we draft Ehlanders in 2014, they wouldn't be part of our prospects pool.

Question is prospects pool, now if we talk about best future core it might be a different answer, but I firmly believe we have one of the strongest prospects pool in the league.

 

[pgj98m3]

following this team for almost 2 decades did many studies on the team, once again I believe this is one of the strongest prospects pools I have ever seen since the summer of 2000. Since then nothing is nearly close, the early 2010's was a wimper of false hope in the Hodgson Schroeder, Rodin times.

also not sure w.t.f does the 2014 draft or trades made during that year have to do with the Canucks today's prospects pool of 2018. All teams will go through this were they make a pick and it doesn't work out. Even if we draft Ehlanders in 2014, they wouldn't be part of our prospects pool.

Question is prospects pool, now if we talk about best future core it might be a different answer, but I firmly believe we have one of the strongest prospects pool in the league.

And I firmly believe that if I click my ruby slippers three times I will get to the promised land of Stanley Cup winners.......

 

[timw33]

I hope they don't throw Demko to the wolves next year. Another season in the AHL is due.

What does Demko have left to prove in the AHL though?

Vaselevski was in NHL at 20, Hellybuck at 22, both big lanky goalies who put up 1-2 super solid AHL seasons. At some point you need to get him to the NHL, even if it means there's a bad team in front of him. Due to how bad this team is, we're never going to get better unless there's a certain amount of throwing young prospects into the fire.

 

[coldsteel79]

And I firmly believe that if I click my ruby slippers three times I will get to the promised land of Stanley Cup winners.......

Why even post shit like this?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What does Demko have left to prove in the AHL though?

Vaselevski was in NHL at 20, Hellybuck at 22, both big lanky goalies who put up 1-2 super solid AHL seasons. At some point you need to get him to the NHL, even if it means there's a bad team in front of him. Due to how bad this team is, we're never going to get better unless there's a certain amount of throwing young prospects into the fire.

Nothing to prove. But a ton to learn before he is NHL ready. @mossey3535 wrote a good post on Demko not too long ago that I can't seem to find.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I doubt anybody is disputing that Demko, Boeser (Brackett) and Pettersson (Gradin) are fantastic picks.

Pettersson is the only reason our prospect pool is above average. Every team has Lind( 49.5% chance to make the NHL ), Gadjovich ( 24.5% ) and Palmu (13%) type prospects. Don't get me wrong, they were great value for where they were chosen. Recent drafts always look better then they are, give the players time "to not make the NHL."

I think @ProstheticConscience did not mean we "don't even currently have a prospect pool." But rather that our drafting has not been that much better then before. Remember that Dahlin and Goldobin, while solid prospects, are not drafted by us.

(was so slow to type that PC replied for him self before me)

Its only on HF Canucks where biased posters feel a need to insert the scouts name beside the pick,especially if its one of the better picks..It was Benning who reset the structure of the scouting staff,and it is Benning who has to make the 'executive decision' to draft the correct player.

Olli Juolevi was Judd Bracketts first ever pick as Director Of Scouting,bizarre how none of the negatives here want to link his name to the Finnish Dman...

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Its only on HF Canucks where biased posters feel a need to insert the scouts name beside the pick,especially if its one of the better picks..It was Benning who reset the structure of the scouting staff,and it is Benning who has to make the 'executive decision' to draft the correct player.

Olli Juolevi was Judd Bracketts first ever pick as Director Of Scouting,bizarre how none of the negatives here want to link his name to the Finnish Dman...

Why do you think Im biased?

I do want to link Judd to Juolevi.