Sure, time bears all truths. But all we can do from the present is read the bread crumbs as best we can. And unlike at LBH, the consequences for being wrong about a hockey team are fairly mild. I’m here for the debates, not to prove I’m clairvoyant. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, it’s not gonna matter to much to me. As Steph Curry said last night, if you’re gonna shimmy you gotta be ok with gettin shimmied on.
Have the canucks quietly built up a solid prospect pool?
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Sure, time bears all truths. But all we can do from the present is read the bread crumbs as best we can. And unlike at LBH, the consequences for being wrong about a hockey team are fairly mild. I’m here for the debates, not to prove I’m clairvoyant. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, it’s not gonna matter to much to me. As Steph Curry said last night, if you’re gonna shimmy you gotta be ok with gettin shimmied on.
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I disagree with the sentiment that the winner of all arguments is time. The fact that the future is unknown and the fact that we are not prophets is exactly why our reasoning holds more value in discourse than the truth of the outcome. The best we can do is argue the odds and position ourselves and our views in reasonable, respectable, and realistic ways. If we do not, our opinions and predictions are worthless.
If your assumptions turn out to be true, despite being built on faulty and baseless reasoning, your credibility is still zero and your ideas are still worthy of scorn and scrutiny. By definition, it's still a bad, invalid, unsound, and ultimately lost argument.
If your assumptions turn out to be wrong, despite logical and sensible reasoning, a person's credibility shouldn't be hurt by this, and their opinions are still deserving of respect. The argument itself may still be valid.
If I argue on a random whim that Lukas Jasek is going to win the Hart Trophy one day, and then he somehow does, I haven't won the argument. It would be every bit as stupid of an argument as it was on the day that I made it.
If I put forth a sensible argument for why Pettersson is likely to be very successful in the NHL based on overwhelmingly compelling patterns/reasoning, even if he outright busts, it would still be a strong argument.
If your assumptions turn out to be true, despite being built on faulty and baseless reasoning, your credibility is still zero and your ideas are still worthy of scorn and scrutiny. By definition, it's still a bad, invalid, unsound, and ultimately lost argument.
If your assumptions turn out to be wrong, despite logical and sensible reasoning, a person's credibility shouldn't be hurt by this, and their opinions are still deserving of respect. The argument itself may still be valid.
If I argue on a random whim that Lukas Jasek is going to win the Hart Trophy one day, and then he somehow does, I haven't won the argument. It would be every bit as stupid of an argument as it was on the day that I made it.
If I put forth a sensible argument for why Pettersson is likely to be very successful in the NHL based on overwhelmingly compelling patterns/reasoning, even if he outright busts, it would still be a strong argument.
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Your a chef...you should know the difference between Custer and custard.
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Noticed Asplund signed his elc as well the other day. Buffalo took him with our pick that we blew on gudbranson. Will be interesting to see how he transitions to North America.
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We've seen 400 games of Gudbranson. We know what he is.
I think at the end of the day, the trade would be a wash except "we could have drafted DeBrincat."
Not really because we dealt a pick and not a prospect that had already failed. A pick is always value and you cant discount it just because another team used for a player who never turned out (not that this would be my projection for Asplund). Not to mention the wasted cap space for an overpaid Gudbranson. Its like saying, oh we have dealt the first overall pick but the team that got it drafted a bust who eventually isnt more valueable than the #6 defenseman we got in return...the trade is a wash.
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Gunbranson sucks by every measure of talent and skill.
Maybe you're being "force fed" something because it's not opinion, but fact. The trade was bad. Is bad. Will continue to be bad.
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Really? Is that the consesus around here? McCann doesn’t strike me as a great player. Or even a good player.
Great player? No. But developing reasonably well for a 24th pick esp after we rushed him to the bigs at age 19. Went down to the A the same year as Jake and put up 25 pts in 42 games or a 50 pt pace. Returned to the Panthers this year and put up 29 pts. Not elite but progressing at a good pace for a likely middle 6 centre.
Toss in a high 2nd and then consider we gave it all up for an absolutely dismal defenseman that we then had to overpay to keep and it’s a pretty lopsided loss. Look at it this way, would we be any worse without Gudbranson on the blueline? And how nice would it be to have McCann centering a 3rd line with a prospect like Jordan Kyrou marinating in junior? You can’t tell me this wouldnt be the far better situation for this team to be in.
McCann could falter and have a Jordan Schroeder like career and it would still be a bad trade for us. We wouldnt have needed Gagner if he was still here, couldve had 3.5-4m to spend on a real defenseman and more picks for this “rebuilding” team. He was a cost controlled asset that was traded away for an expensive bottom pairing D that can be found for .750-2m every summer
Just because you have the money to spend on a real Defensemen. It doesn't mean a real Defensemen is signing here. It takes two to tangle. Since Benning got here, not even one top legit 4 D was signed or traded for
You bring up a depressing point. But what if Gudbranson, MDZ, Pouliot, Stecher are given top 4 minutes and opportunities? Surely that makes them top 4 material right. This is why we desperately need Juolevi and our likely 7th overall this draft to bcome top 4 players very soon
Is there a top 4 Dman that you felt Benning should have signed? He did come close to reportedly trading for Demers but Demers didn't want to come here. The UFA Dmen market hasn't been great the past few years. There's Yandle, Shattinkirk and the next tier is Green, Alzner, Hamhuis. Personally, I think Stecher is a top 4 Dman.
Alzner is not a top 4 d man and neither is Stecher. Difference is Alzner was one once upon a time. Stecher never has been and likely never will be
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Amazing how such a great drafter wasted a first round pick on such a loser with obvious attitude problems...
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Thats what’s comical about it and what is the issue with a team in the Canuck’s state trading young assets and picks.
He doesn’t have to become a great player for the trade to be bad; Gundbranson has such little value, just the odds McCann becoming a decent player is reason enough to keep him. This goes along with the two picks they traded too. We don’t have to wait to see if the 2nd and 4th rounder turns into anything. He lessened our odds of getting NHL players from that draft and it wasn’t worth the tire fire that’s is Gundbranson.
He doesn’t have to become a great player for the trade to be bad; Gundbranson has such little value, just the odds McCann becoming a decent player is reason enough to keep him. This goes along with the two picks they traded too. We don’t have to wait to see if the 2nd and 4th rounder turns into anything. He lessened our odds of getting NHL players from that draft and it wasn’t worth the tire fire that’s is Gundbranson.
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Based on being the worst team cumulatively for the last 3 years....the ABSOLUTE worst.... we are really really behind in the prospect pool. We should have 1-3 top top rookies.
Blown picks on Virtanen / McCaan / Juolevi. These are really high picks that we needed to hit on. I am ok with missing on 2nd rounders + but top 10 picks need to be locks, and we screwed up a few of them.
Yeah we got Petterson but he has 0 NHL games, and we were lucky Boeser turned out (although I'm still not convinced he will even be the same after 2 major injuries, could be a PP specialist with his shot).
We underachieved for the level of suck and the longevity of our suck. We are worse than the leafs and oilers the last few years with no Matthews , McDavid, Marner, or Draisaitl to show for it.
Blown picks on Virtanen / McCaan / Juolevi. These are really high picks that we needed to hit on. I am ok with missing on 2nd rounders + but top 10 picks need to be locks, and we screwed up a few of them.
Yeah we got Petterson but he has 0 NHL games, and we were lucky Boeser turned out (although I'm still not convinced he will even be the same after 2 major injuries, could be a PP specialist with his shot).
We underachieved for the level of suck and the longevity of our suck. We are worse than the leafs and oilers the last few years with no Matthews , McDavid, Marner, or Draisaitl to show for it.
Not enough and there's no guarantee that all of them willpan out. Reference to Edm that they had many top picks but look at how many translated into NHL quality players.
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I clearly remember McCann earning a roster spot out of camp that year..He had a strong camp and deserved it,he wasn't rushed at all.
To be fair though,after fairly strong play at the beginning of the year his play radically dropped off,and he should have gone to the minors,or to the WJC..Then injuries hit,and he was pressed into service.
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