Finland needs longtime U-20 coach like Sweden had Per Mårts. Lauri Marjamäki would be excellent for that position. He nearly coached an average roster to medal games. Too bad that he coached only 1 season.
GDT: Group B • Dec. 28 • United States 1, Finland 4
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Finland needs longtime U-20 coach like Sweden had Per Mårts. Lauri Marjamäki would be excellent for that position. He nearly coached an average roster to medal games. Too bad that he coached only 1 season.
Jere26
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Interesting one tonight. After that pathetic effort against Canada I only want to see at least some passion in the Finnish team.
On the positive side, finally Aittokallio in net and no junior league goalie (not blaming Gibson here for his performance against CAN). On the other hand I wish all the best for Dallas prospect Campbell. So predicting only 3-0 for the US
It was obvious since the beginning that they were the underdogs against both North American teams, just gotta beat those Danes & Czechs and hope it will be enough to make it to the next round.
On the positive side, finally Aittokallio in net and no junior league goalie (not blaming Gibson here for his performance against CAN). On the other hand I wish all the best for Dallas prospect Campbell. So predicting only 3-0 for the US
It was obvious since the beginning that they were the underdogs against both North American teams, just gotta beat those Danes & Czechs and hope it will be enough to make it to the next round.
Finland needs longtime U-20 coach like Sweden had Per Mårts. Lauri Marjamäki would be excellent for that position. He nearly coached an average roster to medal games. Too bad that he coached only 1 season.
I agree, Marjamäki is a very good coach, who knows the game through and through and has a very good mind on hockey. Helminen on the other hand is an ex star player with zero experience in coaching and Haapakoski is...
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yeah. Well said!
Haapakoski made the team with the biggest price tag in SM-liiga look like a Mestis team and with that showing he was made 2nd coach of the U-20 team...
Way to go Kummola and Co. !
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At first I was excited to have a legend like Raipe as the coach, but soon realized that he is not the right man for the job. Just like Gretzky was a crap coach, the past career as a hockey player doesn't mean you will be a good coach.
SoupyFIN
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Pretty much this.
But who else would have been available for the job? All the good coaches from FEL are already tied with the senior team.
They should make it clear that they only want the best guy available, pay him enough that they all want to come, and pick the coach early enough.
I like how Sweden handled their thing, Pär Mårts as coach of u-20 team for a few years, and after that move on to the men's team. Whoever they are going to make the predecessor of Jalonen I think should do a couple years of u-20 coaching. It also makes it easier for young guys to make it to the men's team since the star players of the new generation are all known by the coach.
At least the guy who sings "nyt poika saunoo". Didn't he announce that his music career is over?
I'm pretty much 100% sure that had Kummola even tried a better option then Helminen would've been available. As long as finnish hockey federation keeps treating juniors like this and assigning **** for juniors I don't see this getting much better either. Luckily the fat ******* will have to retire soon since he is over 60 already let's hope that someone with atleast half a brain replaces him.
Now on to the tournament I see this game as a really important one for Finland. If Finland can pick themselves up and actually perform as in have a close game at least like last year, we could have a chance to make it to the semis. But Finland is going to have to be ALOT better on every aspect of the game. Let's hope they'll pick themselves up, if not at least I'll get to see some pretty good prospects that I rarely see play for the USA =).
Per Mårts created an succesful system into U-20 team. Youth players all know how to play it. So easy transition to Men games and good time to young star players to come up. Players know what the coach expects and Coach knows the players like own pockets. Hard to say but Sweden will be an absolute force in few years and once again Finland have to learn alot from Sweden but what you can do when Kummola dictates. But i'm still pissed that Marjamäki didn't continue in that job he had excellent system, players had drive and determination. Every player bought his gameplan. Now we have Raipe who ruins our chances to be succesful this year because he doesen't have any head coach experience.
Finland needs longtime U-20 coach like Sweden had Per Mårts. Lauri Marjamäki would be excellent for that position. He nearly coached an average roster to medal games. Too bad that he coached only 1 season.
Tbh though, the main problem for Finland in the first game wasn't coaching but a D corps that just wasn't up to par, too young and just not good enough. Looked terrified when Canada played physical. Määttä looked like a 13 yo out there and the rest wasn't much better.
SoupyFIN
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I was kinda hoping that Törmänen would get fired by Bern since NLA has a habit of firing coaches every two weeks.
Maybe I'm a bit homer about him because of last season with Sport, but I think he would be a great U20 coach.
Why not let Jukka Rautakorpi coach this U20 team? He's working for the Hockey Federation anyway. I think Rautakorpi could have handled the douple duty since he has had enough time to build Tappara's team for this season and next.
The thing is that they are not really that bad although not as good as the top teams' defences. They actually usually don't play like scared rabbits, and the fact that they did is really largely the responsibility of the coaching team. Canada wasn't extremely physical for a Canadian team, just your regular tough checking and at times hard pressure in our end. Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing unexpected but it seemed that the defence was in scared chaos the second the play started. They were not ready, it was a regular amateur hour there.
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this. no reason to blame coaching when your defense and gaoltending are not up to the task.
You really think this is their natural level of play? I mean they would have lost to, I don't know, Outer Mongolia, with that sort of frozen, panicky defence. They were not ready and surely coaching has to take a large part of responsibility?
If defense doesn't play up to their level it is the coaches fault. None of our dmen make the same mistakes in their own teams, atleast not over and over again like they did in this game.
This corps of dmen is not that young and inexperiencd that they should play this bad.
edit: I don't blame the goalie even one bit. Sure, he could've saved a couple of those 8 goals he let in. Try to be a good goalie infront of that dismal defense, it's hard to keep at your best when you've already had to let in 3 goals from right infront of the net, knowing that every time the Canadians come, the D will just let them go by
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this. + actually defending the goal. That's what the word defending means.
This team needs to play more like Konsta Mäkinen, who was supposed to be the weakest link, but instead was our best player. What did he do? Skated hard, puck didn't bounce in his stick like a hot potato in a kids grasp. He went fearlessly towards the goal, and gave 2 hard hits, while being the A) shortest and B) lightest guy on the team.
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They got back to the game after Ruuttu's goal in the 2nd period. Maybe they weren't ready in the beginning but the defense just kept on making bad mistakes and Gibson couldn't carry the team.
But we'll see if the defense is any better against USA. I doubt.
Rabid Ranger
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Way better offense than who-the U.S.? I think not. Despite Finland's rep as playing a NA style, I think they are going to again struggle against a team that is much bigger and faster than they are. Shoot, the U.S. team, in particular the defense, is even bigger than Canada.
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