You are arguing over semantics. The point is mutiple weighins is very possible, doable, and simple. Those are the rules. Abide by them or GTFO. You are not asking a blind mind to play the piano like Stevie Wonder here. You are doing this to better the health of your fighters and prevent them from doing stupid weight cuts.A lot of fights aren't even settled 2-3 months before the fight. The main event was announced less than 2.5 months prior, image the rest of the card.
Given that you say everyone takes PEDs and find ways around the blood testing that is administered in person what makes you think they can't adjust a scale if you're monitoring by video?
The go broke comment was about an agency, the work wouldn't justify the cost.
So 60 days is too far out...make it 45...whatever man, those are just random numbers thrown. Point is, multiple weighins would prevent these insane cuts, and they should be spread over a long enough period.
Yes, and for some instances, the UFC also has to step in. Not all situations are equal.And Tony Ferguson kicks steel poles to train, is he responsible or should UFC step in as well? At a certain point you're responsible for what you do to your own body.
I did not imply, I threw this out as a rebuttal to your wild claim that it would cost so much cash.The problem is you implied 2 month weight check by video call. You go on and on about PEDs being masked in tests but a scale by video call is flawless? C'mon. Not to mention as I said many fights aren't even put together over 2 months prior.
But hey, sure, I mean, let's try ways to temper with the scale, risk a ban and fine, instead of cutting 5lbs to make the first cut....Ya, that makes complete sense.
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I'm saying day will never happen.
I don't think it will either, but it could, if it leads to more hospitalizations.
I didn't say it was bad, I said it's a failed system as it has been proven time and time again. PED testing is in no way shape or form a deterrent. Even for guys that have tested positive before, they will still take some and risk getting caught again.As for Hunt with PEDs in pride. Scott Stevens was once applauded for his head shots. **** changes. UFC didn't want until they got sued to implement USADA, this is bad because?
Even if USADA is more effective at testing, they will never, ever, be ahead of science. There will always be new substances that aren't known to them being developed. Eventually, they will know about them, ban them, but by that time, other new ones will be out. That is why PEDs are not going anywhere.
Michael Bisping severely damaged his eye fighting against a guy who was on PEDs.
"We all know the dangers of this sport. I mean, we're trying to knock each other out. I've been left permanently disfigured, if you will, from my fight with Vitor Belfort. Vitor Belfort head kicked me and that's what caused my detached retina. Since then, I've had five surgeries, and my eye is never going to look the same again. That was one of the reasons why I said I was never fighting anybody else with a steroid history. But with all the backlash on Twitter, this and that, people saying, ‘Oh he's scared,' I told Ariel, ‘Well, **** it. If the UFC wants to make the fight, I'll do the fight. I'm not scared.' I really don't have anything to prove to these people, but it just kind of pissed me off. If the UFC wants to make this fight, I'm all for it. Let's do it."
Victor Belfort went from jacked to dad bod before and after USADA. Yes, getting rid of PEDs helps and was a good move. Two wrongs don't make a right here.
Ya, Overeem also looks like crap when off roids compared to on. I don't really care. Are Bisping and Hunt clean? Possible. Have they simply not tested positive? Possible. That sport is filled with PED users, so I don't care who is on or off it as it is impossible to know. What they do matters little to me as long as I see good fights. It's up to them to decide if they want to use or not, and they are fully aware of the realities of their sport. Just like Bisping said "f*** it" give me the fight.
But that is why I say make it legal, because PEDs are not bad. Abuse of PEDs is bad, misuse is bad, misinformation is bad. PEDs are made to enhance performance, they are there to help, it is ridiculous how demonized they have made out to be.
They should be a controlled, not banned.
It's not my system, it was one idea I came up with in 10 seconds. I also mentioned another one, random weigh ins, just like the drug tests.As for weighing, your system by 'video calling' is amateur and not professional or trustworthy.
UFC already banned IV use for weight cutting years ago so they've even addressed certain issues.
You put in an exception clause for replacement fighters. Pretty freaking simple.How can you seek replacement fighters if they weren't tested 60 days out? For what it's worth these guys don't necessarily do traditional fitness inspired training year round. So when they do they'll lose. Fighters often change their diet during and out of camp...
Holloway was not at right weight to take over now. It's speculated he's way more than 15 lbs out, closer to 30.
Well clearly, many of them have no proper weight cut plan.Now I'm no nutritionist/doctor/etc... but a lot of these guys have a team with them. If their cut is planned correctly they can do the cut in a 'healthy' way.
I'm all for doing these things but again if your solution is 2 months out with video calling when guys cheat blood tests then c'mon...it's a waste of time.
2 months before is not the same weight.Like I said, the day before fight is weigh in. Do it a week before, maybe 2 weeks before but 2 months? It isn't gonna happen. 2 weeks is fair enough to get replacements and I doubt a fighter can stay dehydrated that long or do that many weight cuts.
2 weeks out(Within X lbs)
1 week out(Within Y lbs)
day before fight(At weight)
Simplest way. Fights are added to cards pretty regularly, sometimes a month before. The 2 month window wouldn't work. it would need to be drastically shorter for 1) to assemble a card 2) to allow replacements.
I am not saying 2 months out, you need to be at 170 if you are in WW bout. 60/45 days out, you are allowed to be 15lbs over. 30days out you are allowed to be 10lbs over limit. 15days out, 5lbs. Come up with a system, it's really not that difficult.
If you fail, replacement fighters can be exempt depending on how much over they are.
Maybe you can allow one failed test depending on how much over they are. ETC.
It can be random weigh ins too.
I am just throwing ideas out off the top of my head, and they aren't crazy. Completely doable.
2 weeks out is not far enough. You would likely have very drastic cuts leading up to that due date.
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