Speculation: Friedman: Leafs and Isles in on Tyson Barrie

[Wafflewhipper]

Well said. Only moves we should look at making are shipping out JVR and Bozak and developing our own TWF and a defensive defenseman.

Its only a small view so far with Dermott but he is a serious upgrade that might be overlooked.

There is a very visable consistency to Dermotts play. The intensity is most notable of all defensemen i would venture to say.

Adding that is like a solid trade for a top 4 guy i think. I really would not mind mind a pick and prospect trade for Jvr actually. Jvr can get a first round pick plus at the deadline if other deadlines are any indication for pure goal scorers.

Maybe continuing to stock pile is in managements plans! Who lnows!

 

[OppositeLocK]

Its only a small view so far with Dermott but he is a serious upgrade that might be overlooked.

There is a very visable consistency to Dermotts play. The intensity is most notable of all defensemen i would venture to say.

Adding that is like a solid trade for a top 4 guy i think. I really would not mind mind a pick and prospect trade for Jvr actually. Jvr can get a first round pick plus at the deadline if other deadlines are any indication for pure goal scorers.

Maybe continuing to stock pile is in managements plans! Who lnows!

For sure. Dermott has high upside. He’s a high potential top 4 dman for sure, but who knows, if he keeps progressing at this pace he could even be a top 2. Or if he regresses he might end up a top 6. He’ll definitely end up an NHLer that’s for sure.

Also, I’m much more in favour of stockpiling assets. This gives the best chance of the Leafs building a dynasty and with a young team it’s not like the window will close any time soon.

Trading away what will likely cost Dermott, Kapanen, and a 2nd or even a 1st for a better version of Gardiner isn’t smart (and then most likely losing Gardiner to FA).

 

[JEI]

Barrie's good, Ekman-Larsson is better.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Barrie's good, Ekman-Larsson is better.

I would post the Captain Obvious pic if I knew how...

 

[OppositeLocK]

Barrie's good, Ekman-Larsson is better.

And even more expensive. Pass.

Out of Reilly, Liljegren, Dermott, Rasanen, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Borgman, and Valiev, not to mention future drafts and FA pickups, I’m more than positive a future quality d core can be built without paying exorbitant prices for slight upgrades.

Let’s continue developing.

 

[rent free]

I would post the Captain Obvious pic if I knew how...

just search up "captain obvious", click on a pic, click copy and then press control+v

 

[JEI]

I would post the Captain Obvious pic if I knew how...

Old man.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Old man.

Can it, junior

I've NEVER been able to post pics or gifs to HF on either format. Always get the broken link.

Apparently, now I know..

 

[JEI]

And even more expensive. Pass.

Out of Reilly, Liljegren, Dermott, Rasanen, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Borgman, and Valiev, not to mention future drafts and FA pickups, I’m more than positive a future quality d core can be built without paying exorbitant prices for slight upgrades.

Let’s continue developing.

You can develop and pick up necessary parts along the way given where the Leafs are at in their rebuild. One doesn't have to go without the other. A few years ago, I would have been in agreement.

There hasn't been a time recently when I've seen this many quality D up for trade (or at least, rumoured). Hard to ignore this opportunity with the Leafs having Marner/Nylander/Matthews all under good contract and in prime years (not to mention Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner and Andersen).

It all comes down to cost to acquire and we really don't know what it would take yet (be it OEL or anyone else rumoured to be on the market).

 

[jrgtml67]

Thing is...how do you know who Lou has talked to? Regarding what piece for what piece. It is obvious we need a center as well. Our depth there is astoundingly bad. We are 2 injuries away from disaster in that position.

Suppose Lou has talked to another GM they want Gardiner for example...so then if its true about Barrie it makes sense. This is hypothetical of course but Barrie isnt a slight upgrade...he is a big one. He and Mack are 2 peas in a pod. Before his injury most goals by Avs first line were assisted by Barrie...also Barrie can really score.

Hypo aside, we need to clone Hainsey. Unlocked Reillys offense and now Jake has 9pts in 4 games along side him...fluke? Dont think so

 

[jrgtml67]

When Orielly was an Av it was rumored around this time we were in on Orielly. I forget the defenseman going the other way but never did happen. Ask around im positive we were tied to Orielly when he played in Colorado

 

[jrgtml67]

Btw any new..news on this or just a dead end rumor?

 

[OppositeLocK]

You can develop and pick up necessary parts along the way given where the Leafs are at in their rebuild. One doesn't have to go without the other. A few years ago, I would have been in agreement.

There hasn't been a time recently when I've seen this many quality D up for trade (or at least, rumoured). Hard to ignore this opportunity with the Leafs having Marner/Nylander/Matthews all under good contract and in prime years (not to mention Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner and Andersen).

It all comes down to cost to acquire and we really don't know what it would take yet (be it OEL or anyone else rumoured to be on the market).

But that’s the problem. Vatanen was Henrique, Blasini, and a third. You’re not getting OEL without starting with Marner.

The cost would not be worth it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Btw any new..news on this or just a dead end rumor?

It's just speculation at this point. Barrie's availability is something to keep a tab on as the Leafs seem interested.

 

[ULF_55]

It's just speculation at this point. Barrie's availability is something to keep a tab on as the Leafs seem interested.

If the Avs are retaining 2 per year it might make sense.

How quickly that contract went Phaneuf.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Barrie would be redundant on our roster, and cost a lot to acquire. I'd rather target a younger version of Ron Hainsey.

 

[jrgtml67]

Id be interested. Pp specialist, not bad defensively. If it means we trade Gardiner for say a center makes sense.

 

[ULF_55]

Barrie would be redundant on our roster, and cost a lot to acquire. I'd rather target a younger version of Ron Hainsey.

Too bad Schenn can't skate ...

 

[jrgtml67]

Again..you cant know its redundant. There is a possibility a team wants Jake and we are looking at Barrie to replace him. But no way of knowing that either.

Id be good with cloning hainsey lol

 

[7even]

If the Avs are retaining 2 per year it might make sense.

How quickly that contract went Phaneuf.

$5.5m for a 45-50pt defenseman is bad?

 

[ULF_55]

$5.5m for a 45-50pt defenseman is bad?

Leafs don't need scoring, they need defense.

 

[7even]

Leafs don't need scoring, they need defense.

I didn't say otherwise.

 

[jrgtml67]

You realise its usually team defense at fault on bad nights. Sometimes its pure position like Reillys 2 bad giveaways the other week. But team D is a big part.

Thats why I like Kapenen. His speed helps our team D because it forces oppo to rush passes for example. Right now babcock truly only trusts Kadri line with top end D assignments. He puts Matthews out a bit more now then last yr against top lines but its a work in progress

Again for the 100th we have no way of knowing what coals Lou has in the fire. Suppose he has Gardiner in a different deal? So then he looks to see if he can replace his PMD skill. Makes sense to me. Rumor is just a rumor until we start hearing its close or this and that piece have been tabled

 

[Knies iT]

Seems like a turris for Duchene type move. Not very worth it

Barrie is better than Gardiner and it would alleviate the log jam on the left side, allowing for guys like Dermott and Borgman to see regular minutes.

It's a lateral move i'd definitely support.

 

[Al14]

Barrie was a star Dman for my Kelowna Rockets in the past in the WHL.

Kelowna is a Dman factor producing the likes Shea Weber, Duncan Keith, Alex Edler, Tyler Myers, Damon Severson, Luke Schenn, Josh Georges, and the list goes on and on and Tyson Barrie on the list.

So what is not to like about adding him.

Kelowna produced a real dud in Luke Schenn!

Too bad his poor skating skill wasn't identified by Burke and company! Imagine if we hadn't traded up to select Schenn and just took Karlsson instead.