Player Discussion Frank Vatrano II

[weaponomega]

He's a hard worker and hustles, but if he's not playing with someone to set him up in ideal situations he's not going to score. He doesn't have the skill and hockey IQ to create his own chances. That said, I think he can be a good 4th liner.

 

[frickinbobby]

okay we can rotate Frankie out now. agreed.

 

[rocketdan9]

zero points in what 7 games now??

he must have something on Cassidy , just like Nash

so tired of these two getting mins

 

[Marcobruin]

It gets frustrating i get it but i woyldnt give up on Frankie..Quick releases like his are rare

 

[mikelvl]

He can take Agostino's spot on LW if you ask me. Agostino has brought almost nothing to the table during his current callup. Beginning to feel that he is a 4A player, a fringe NHL er at best.

 

[BruinDust]

He can take Agostino's spot on LW if you ask me. Agostino has brought almost nothing to the table during his current callup. Beginning to feel that he is a 4A player, a fringe NHL er at best.

That's exactly what Agostino is.

30 teams passed on claiming him on waivers. It's not like he has a big contract or lots of term left. Even his old team (St. Louis) weren't interested.

Yet somehow he's good enough for a line-up spot with the Bruins.

 

[smack66]

That's exactly what Agostino is.

30 teams passed on claiming him on waivers. It's not like he has a big contract or lots of term left. Even his old team (St. Louis) weren't interested.

Yet somehow he's good enough for a line-up spot with the Bruins.

I didn't mind the Agostino signing. I saw it as low risk high reward potential. I think they have given him a chance now its time to move him back to the A. Although, I also wouldn't mind seeing Kuraly and Vatrano sit for a few games as well. Not sure what they are bringing to this team

 

[Dr Hook]

I didn't mind the Agostino signing. I saw it as low risk high reward potential. I think they have given him a chance now its time to move him back to the A. Although, I also wouldn't mind seeing Kuraly and Vatrano sit for a few games as well. Not sure what they are bringing to this team

That's exactly what Agostino is.

30 teams passed on claiming him on waivers. It's not like he has a big contract or lots of term left. Even his old team (St. Louis) weren't interested.

Yet somehow he's good enough for a line-up spot with the Bruins.

I agree he was a low risk- potentially high reward. At a cheap price he was an insurance piece for us in case of injury or if a few of the yutes weren't ready to go, which is exactly what has happened. I think Agostino is gone back to Providence sooner rather than later. Acciari returns, Krejci gets well, Cehlarik gets healthy and in game shape, JFK smooths off some rough edges- any two of those (because we have still have Beleskey taking up a roster spot) and Ago will catch the bus. Provided of course someone else doesn't go down in the meantime. Either that or he gets suddenly hot and starts scoring goals

 

[mjhfb]

IMHO would have a been a good move to have FV in the shootout instead of Agostino; could have been a turning point moment for him one way or the other.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

he needs more ice time.
In my opinion Vatrano should be in there ahead of schaller, nash, agustino and kuraly.
All those guys should sit if we are icing a healthy lineup.

 

[BNHL]

Not a big Vatrano fan,but lets try to put exploit his shot. 3 minutes of ice time is a friggin joke. Not getting a chance on the PP is a mistake And playing him with anyone less than Backes will not result in success.

 

[mjhfb]

They simply don't want to make it easy for him...I get the "200ft player" stuff, but they are not (even temporarily and/or selectively) placing him in situations to succeed, even when it may help the team. (Ex. PP or Shootout).

 

[NDiesel]

They simply don't want to make it easy for him...I get the "200ft player" stuff, but they are not (even temporarily and/or selectively) placing him in situations to succeed, even when it may help the team. (Ex. PP or Shootout).

Not a big Vatrano fan,but lets try to put exploit his shot. 3 minutes of ice time is a friggin joke. Not getting a chance on the PP is a mistake And playing him with anyone less than Backes will not result in success.

he needs more ice time.
In my opinion Vatrano should be in there ahead of schaller, nash, agustino and kuraly.
All those guys should sit if we are icing a healthy lineup.

He's not doing anything. What kind of message is it that Heinen gets 2 points and sent down, yet Vatrano continues to do nothing and gets more ice time? Beleseky, Postma, Acciari (1GP), Vatrano, the only guys with zero points this year. That's not good company to be in.

Hell even no offense Nash/Schaller/Agostino/Kuraly have a point this year.

Heinen played 8 minutes a game to start out this year and has slowly earned more and more ice time. Maybe Vatrano should put the puck in the net or get an assist, or do something to actually earn some ice time? What a foreign concept....Vatrano should learn a thing or two from Heinen on how to force your way into more playing time...

 

[NDiesel]

To add to my last post, he had 14 mins and 11 mins earlier this year....2 shots, -1 and 2 PIMs in those games. It's not the ice time. It's the player.

 

[BruinDust]

To add to my last post, he had 14 mins and 11 mins earlier this year....2 shots, -1 and 2 PIMs in those games. It's not the ice time. It's the player.

We know that Vatrano is a complementary player who has a hard time generating his own offensive chances. I don't think there is any debate there.

But the fact remains, 70% of his time on ice this season has been with at least two of the following:

Agostino (just sent back to the AHL)
Nash
Belesky (who can't even get in the line-up)
Kuraly
Spooner
Czarnik (in the AHL)
Schaller

Of his total ice time this season, the percentage where he wasn't on the ice with at least one of the above listed players.

1.38%

Despite his best weapon (his shot), he's averaged 16 seconds of PP time over the course of 9 games.

I'm not sure how he is suppose to be putting up numbers when that is how he is being used.

Is the blame ALL on his line-mates? No it isn't. Some of the blame is on Vatrano, no question.

But his line-mates are part of the problem

 

[NDiesel]

We know that Vatrano is a complementary player who has a hard time generating his own offensive chances. I don't think there is any debate there.

But the fact remains, 70% of his time on ice this season has been with at least two of the following:

Agostino (just sent back to the AHL)
Nash
Belesky (who can't even get in the line-up)
Kuraly
Spooner
Czarnik (in the AHL)
Schaller

Of his total ice time this season, the percentage where he wasn't on the ice with at least one of the above listed players.

1.38%

Despite his best weapon (his shot), he's averaged 16 seconds of PP time over the course of 9 games.

I'm not sure how he is suppose to be putting up numbers when that is how he is being used.

Is the blame ALL on his line-mates? No it isn't. Some of the blame is on Vatrano, no question.

But his line-mates are part of the problem

The thing is his line mates at least have a point playing with each other. He's the one guy who has 0 points of all those bottom 6 forwards. I just don't understand this place. Everyone bitches when we put "no zone Nash" on the 1st line, but then want to give a guy who literally has done nothing in 9 games more ice time?

I get the reasoning, he has the offensive potential, but simply if you don't earn your ice time you shouldn't just be given more.

 

[BruinDust]

The thing is his line mates at least have a point playing with each other. He's the one guy who has 0 points of all those bottom 6 forwards. I just don't understand this place. Everyone *****es when we put "no zone Nash" on the 1st line, but then want to give a guy who literally has done nothing in 9 games more ice time?

I get the reasoning, he has the offensive potential, but simply if you don't earn your ice time you shouldn't just be given more.

If Vatrano even had a couple points like the group of guys he's played with, it wouldn't really change much.

All the guys he's played with are zero-zone grinders (Other than Schaller, I wouldn't even have the rest of them in my line-up), or in the case of Spooner and Czarnik, guys who have skill but are severely limited 5 on 5.

Not that Vatrano isn't limited 5 on 5 himself, that has been established. No one is saying put him with Bergeron and Marchand, heck I'd be happy if they would just try him with Backes on the 3rd line.

 

[pkunit]

I like Vatrano, he just needs that confidence back. I think my best comparable is Michael Ryder.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I’d rather see Cehlarik get an opportunity in the bottom 6 over Vatrano. Vatrano is apparently useless without a premier playmaker and he’s not going to play with one anytime soon. Give Cehlarik 10 games and I bet he has some points.

 

[BruinDust]

I like Vatrano, he just needs that confidence back. I think my best comparable is Michael Ryder.

That's a big part of it.

He's likely in the middle of the biggest slump of his entire hockey career. That's difficult for guys who are used to scoring.

 

[BruinDust]

I’d rather see Cehlarik get an opportunity in the bottom 6 over Vatrano. Vatrano is apparently useless without a premier playmaker and he’s not going to play with one anytime soon. Give Cehlarik 10 games and I bet he has some points.

I don't think he needs a premier playmaker, but he needs someone who can get the puck to him in softs spots. Backes, who a good playmaker, should be able to do this. I don't think he needs an Adam Oates, or even a David Krejci.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don't think he needs a premier playmaker, but he needs someone who can get the puck to him in softs spots. Backes, who a good playmaker, should be able to do this. I don't think he needs an Adam Oates, or even a David Krejci.

I don’t know if Backes is good enough or healthy enough at this point to be affective at center. Vatrano just doesn’t seem to fit in, we need guys that can contribute in more ways then one in the bottom 6. Why not give Cehlarik an opportunity to see if he can contribute? I’d also send Kuraly down and give Czarnik a shot.

Vatrano puts in a solid effort, but we need results. He’s not Ryder. As frustrating as regular season Ryder was, he gave us depth scoring... Even playing with Chris Kelly.

 

[Mainehockey33]

To clarify. I think in order for Backes to be successful, I think he needs wingers that do more than look to get their shot off. Heinen and Cehlarik would be my choices for Backes.

I don’t really mind Vatrano on the 4th or as an extra forward in case of injury. Who knows, maybe he does get put into a scorers position sometime down the line.

 

[World of Wardlow]

Did Vatrano get hurt last night?
4 minutes TOI

 

[BruinDust]

I don’t know if Backes is good enough or healthy enough at this point to be affective at center. Vatrano just doesn’t seem to fit in, we need guys that can contribute in more ways then one in the bottom 6. Why not give Cehlarik an opportunity to see if he can contribute? I’d also send Kuraly down and give Czarnik a shot.

Vatrano puts in a solid effort, but we need results. He’s not Ryder. As frustrating as regular season Ryder was, he gave us depth scoring... Even playing with Chris Kelly.

Backes at less than 100% is still a more effective center than any of Spooner, Nash, or Kuraly.

I'm with you on Cehlarik. Both he and Vatrano would be in my line-up.

Send Kuraly down, but leave Czarnik there at the Dunk to great him. I don't ever want to see Czarnik again.