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My worry all along about Vatrano was how he was going to handle a slump. The answer was, not well.
Player Discussion Frank Vatrano II
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needs more ice time.
Beleskey and Nash should be benched.
They need to call up cehlarik and put him on a line with Pasta and Krejci
Beleskey and Nash should be benched.
They need to call up cehlarik and put him on a line with Pasta and Krejci
it's not the only thing Frankie is good at. he also has good speed and can hit, sometimes exceptionally well. he has a low center of gravity so has good balance. he needs confidence and reasonably skilled linemates though.
can anyone explain why he never gets a sniff of power play time? remember when Marchand wasn't a power play guy? i know they needed a center and that's why Nash was in for Bergy, but not finding a spot for Frankie somewhere on the power play makes no sense to me. maximize your player talent. he can't be trusted defensively, i agree, but he can shoot, and it would have been nice to see someone shooting at Malcolm Freaking Subban.
ODAAT
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He needs to take advantage of how much or how little of TOI he gets IMO. As much as it pained me to watch after having predicted a career set for AHL greatness when evaluating Marchand, I then watched him come up with the B`s, accept his role as a 4th liner, I don`t think he registered much in the way of points initially but every bloody shift he hit the ice, he did something to make you take notice.
Frankie does none of that
Frankie looked really focused last night. skated really hard every shift, threw some hits and had some nice forechecking shifts and even took a shot! (also drew the key penalty). many positive signs even in what was probably like 5 or 6 minutes of ice time.
i think he is a significant upgrade over the other options but certainly is a reasonable choice to be rotated throughout the season. overall though, in my opinion, he is an NHL-caliber player in all ways except for positioning without the puck.
attaboy, Frankie!
i think he is a significant upgrade over the other options but certainly is a reasonable choice to be rotated throughout the season. overall though, in my opinion, he is an NHL-caliber player in all ways except for positioning without the puck.
attaboy, Frankie!
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BruinDust
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Under 7 minutes of play...
Well got hurt in the 1st, drew the 5 min major PP which he wasn't on. Doesn't play special teams. 7 min. is pretty good all things considered.
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That was 7 up tempo the opposite of passive playUnder 7 minutes of play...
I watched 60 minutes of dog shit in Vegas and needed only 3 minutes to figure it out - they should have had McAvoy clean up that mess
Vatrano needs to play that dogged style staying on the dog theme
Under 7 minutes of play...
Ummmmmmm he got rocked early in the first. Was surprised he was allowed back.
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twominute
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Took a nasty hit from behind by Gudbranson. It did lead to three ppg's on the major, so that was a plus
GloryDaze4877
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He didn’t return until later. I’m sure he had to go though the concussion protocol.
I feel for Frank. He’s a local kid and I want him to do well, but it appears as if he’s been passed on the depth chart by DeBrusk and Bjork for sure, and he’s got Heinen and Cehlarik in the rear view as well (waiver status may be the only reason why they are still behind).
With the situation in Boston right now, he’s not going to be getting big minutes so he needs to find ways to contribute in his limited TOI. I think the effort is there, but Heinen was able to put points up, even with limited 4th line minutes (1 assist was on PP). If Vatrano can’t do that, he’s going to end up on the outside looking in.
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Mainehockey33
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He didn’t play bad last night, definitely puts in the effort, but give me Heinen in that roll. Better in all situations, plays special teams, 3 zone player.
Yah, I know, was on tablet and it was freaking out, it took way too long just to get those words to go properly, I hoped the "I was surprised he was allowed back" was enough to give the clue that he was off ice for concussion protocol. My bad.
ODAAT
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Question for fans here, say Vatrano is ok to go vs the Sabres and moving forward. How long are you willing to wait for him to put something on the board, he**, even an assist at this point before sitting him upstairs for a long time?
For me, I`m almost ready and willing now
For me, I`m almost ready and willing now
for a long time? probably never. if he impacts a game positively like he did last night, he's fine. he can be part of a rotation, but is imo likely to be the most impactful of the bunch that is eligible for being rotated.
heinen does not impress me. DeBrusk should probably play until further notice so i don't include him the rotation group. Bjork either obviously. the rest are close, and Frankie brings some above average capabilities the others have not yet shown. not a dramatic difference, but enough.
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He played with jam and hustle last night, I put him back in there.
At least he has the potential to score.
Compare him to a Sean Kuraly, who seems to have a line-up spot etched in stone and I'm not sure why other than he can play center.
ODAAT
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liked his brief appearance last night as well, eventually though, if a shooter like him isn`t converting, can`t keep rolling him out there IMO
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I agree, comes a point where if he isn't producing at all, something will have to give.
But I'd say the same for just about any NHL forward now.
I probably going to come across as making excuses for Vatrano, but he needs to play with someone who can find him in those soft spots on the ice to allow him to use his main weapon. He's not a guy who will create scoring chances on his own unless they are from in tight. He has the ability to score from distance, but from what I've seen he hasn't had much of an opportunity to unleash his shot.
Part of that is on Vatrano being able to find those soft spots and get open, he needs to be better in this regards, part of that is his line-mates ability to get the puck to him when he does find those spots.
And certainly for a scorer like him, confidence is an issue right now. If he could even get one and regain some confidence, you might see something closer to the guy many here pegged last year to be a Top 6 scoring winger.
Mainehockey33
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What could we realistically get if we traded Vatrano at this point? I can’t see them getting much of anything. How much more time should we give him to produce before putting him on waivers to bring up someone more deserving, like Heinen?
mjhfb
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Not sure what makes less sense; keep playing a 5' 8" sniper on the checking line, or playing a former top 6 St. Louis Captain and Center on checking line wing with 2 centers out.
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I hope they don't give up on him. The guy scored nearly 20 goals in his first 80 NHL games. Now there are newer, shinier toys and everybody wants to give up on him before we really know what we have.
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