Confirmed with Link: Flames acquire Curtis Lazar and Kostka for Jokipakka and a 2nd
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Mr Snrub
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No problem. You're the one telling me to make roster changes to a team that's won nine straight and the last two by shutout. Not to mention you're suggesting swapping out a guy wearing an A for a player who has never played for this team before, who is still getting used to the system, and who has looked worse than any of our forwards thus far this season while playing on a good team.
Volica
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Burkie even said in that interview he did a week ago on the Fan 960; the lineup will not be tinkered with until the winning streak ends. The only reason the Widedog drew in was because of injury.
Lazar will get his opportunity. I don't think Calgary will win another 14 games straight. Additionally, at a certain point, we might even clinch to be able to play some youth.
Lazar will get his opportunity. I don't think Calgary will win another 14 games straight. Additionally, at a certain point, we might even clinch to be able to play some youth.
Mr Snrub
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Yes I am suggesting taking out a player who has not played good, as you even said, for a player that can play equally as good (or bad) or better.
The philosophy you are using suggests Wideman replacing Stone creates Shutouts.
We did it on D last night, still won.
We can afford it to go a game or two without Brouwer.
The philosophy you are using suggests Wideman replacing Stone creates Shutouts.
We did it on D last night, still won.
We can afford it to go a game or two without Brouwer.
Mr Snrub
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No, because Wideman did not play against Montreal. But good effort.
Johnny Hoxville
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I think it's pretty obvious that Brouwer is struggling, but I'm not sure you can justify putting Lazar in until we lose. The Flames feel he was rushed anyways and have made it plenty clear that they want to take their time with him. I want to see Lazar as much as everyone, and we will see him sooner than later I imagine.
gawd I love Bennett. That's twice now he's fought a guy way bigger than him and stood his ground. Kid is fearless. Honestly, his biggest problem this year is trying to dance through the defence. If he would just make simple plays and cycle which is his game, he'd start seeing results. Can't wait for him to figure it all out, he's gonna be a beauty.
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That doesn't mean Wideman "creates shutouts", it means Wideman played in a shutout. He didn't play in the previous shutout, so whether Wideman is on the ice or not does not "create" a shutout.
I'm also not sure how "the philosophy" I'm using suggests this. What I'm saying is that you should not tinker with a lineup that's won nine straight any more than you have to. That shouldn't be that indefensible of a position, no matter how much you hate Troy Brouwer.
The lineup WAS tinkered, due to an injury. A Top 4 Dman, was substituted by a #7 Dman, and the results were the same. To suggest Brouwer being scratched will result in a loss (show me some fancy stats that show is contribution to our win streak) is crazy.
I'm not suggesting scratching a top line forward, a top Dman (which JUST HAPPENED) or anyone with actual contribution to the Win.
You said, even though he isn't playing good, there is no reason to sit him.
- he isnt playing good.
- he isn't earning minutes, they're gifted.
Obviously you don't agree with my opinion, and I don't care about that.
But to say the lineup shouldn't be tinkered (again, it was and at a much more important position than 3rd line RW) then that isn't enough for me to change my mind. Show me why Brouwer shouldn't be sat for not playing good.
Volica
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Really just wish they'd give him some line-mates that fit. More or less gave him our PP specialist and a corpse to drag around.
That toughness though is something else. Him and Lazar could make a really interesting 'pairing' as Hartley used to put it. That being said, I wouldn't mind Chucky and Bennett together either.
Johnny Hoxville
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The main point is though, it was tinkered due to injury and out of necessity as a result. If we take Brouwer out as you are suggesting, it would be due to the coaches choice. If you take the Flames words at face value, this is unlikely to happen.
Johnny Hoxville
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I'd love to see a Bennett, Frolik and Lazar line. Jets fans always raved that Frolik would get moved to play alongside someone to get them going (ie. Schiefele). I think Backlund and Tkachuk would be fine without Frolik, I'd like to see what happens there.
Volica
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To be fair, we're not sure what it does to team morale when one of the vets is told to sit in the middle of the longest winning streak of this season (1 off Flames history). Like, yeah, I believe Brouwer needs to sit a game, just to get his head straight. The guy can play at a much higher level; he's putting up worse numbers than his rookie season and his play, while it isn't hurting the team, isn't helping it either.
I'd honestly say just ride this streak. We've got two upcoming games against pretty tough Eastern Conference teams and who knows if we'll be able to keep this run alive. Make changes when the time comes.
On a different note. Do you guys know that if Calgary wins 8 of their last 14, they'll tie #3 on franchise records for wins? That's pretty nutty.
I get it. I know what the Flames said, and as little as 2 days ago completely agreed. Until we saw the lineup tinkered because of an injury, at a much more important position.
I also understand the 'don't fix what ain't broken' idea, but Brouwer isn't playing good, and he deserves to be scratched. I'd rather give this team the best ability to go 10-0, by icing the best possible lineup. Not waiting for a loss to do that.
And yes, Lazar hasn't proven anything yet. I get it. Then put Familton in that role for all I care. But Brouwer getting minutes isn't out of merit, isn't because of numbers or stats, it's perplexing. He is playing is way out of being selected in the Expansion Draft if anything.
Meh, move on I guess
BigRangy
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Just like Wideman for most of the year, if you actually want to move negative value players, you have to keep them in the lineup for the faint hope that they'll impress someone enough that you can con them into taking your dumps.
It's going to be really tough ti convince Vegas to take a guy that is a regular healthy scratch (granted, Ottawa just did that with Lazar lol). Both Hamilton and Hathaway are upgrades on Brouwer, and they're not even any good.
Any drastic moves regarding Brouwer should definitely wait until the off season though. He does have an A so I imagine that he commands at least some respect from the team, and benching him could have a pretty adverse effect on morale I think. Wait for the summer and hope you can move him.
It's going to be really tough ti convince Vegas to take a guy that is a regular healthy scratch (granted, Ottawa just did that with Lazar lol). Both Hamilton and Hathaway are upgrades on Brouwer, and they're not even any good.
Any drastic moves regarding Brouwer should definitely wait until the off season though. He does have an A so I imagine that he commands at least some respect from the team, and benching him could have a pretty adverse effect on morale I think. Wait for the summer and hope you can move him.
I mean, it's impossible to play worse than Brouwer has this season, but if we did put Lazar in the lineup and lost the next game or game after that, everyone would lose their s*** and blame Lazar
That's fair enough to a point. But Bennett creates his own problems with his own play. The guy thinks he's McDavid and he isn't. He doesn't have the speed or skill to step around an entire defensive line. He needs to simplify his approach and play to his strengths. Honestly, it's almost every game I see him trying to walk through people when in reality, he should dump and chase or enter and curl up looking for a late man. Kid just needs to stop trying so hard and keep it simple.
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As I argued in the GDT, I would not agree with the third line "not being broke".
I understand why they won't change the lineup outside of injury on this kind of winning streak. I may not 100% agree with the logic, but I do understand it and agree with it partly.
I think it's far to easy to say that Lazar hasn't proven to be better for Brouwer this season when we've not seen him play for us yet. How many times each year do we see a player traded and play very well for the new team after not doing as well for the old team. It's not a guarantee, I get that. But there is a decent enough chance that Lazar could be an upgrade, or that benching for a game Brouwer gets him out of his funk, then I do think it's definitely worth trying, even if we have to wait until the streak is over.
To me that's about perspective. Sitting Brouwer after a 9 game winning streak can be explained to the GM in Vegas as we simply wanted to play our new acquisition while we were hot. Arguably, Las Vegas has the same access to the same stats that see he is struggling, even on a winning streak. Sitting him doesn't decrease or increase those chances. What it DOES do is tell Brouwer he needs to be better. It tells the team that no matter how well you are doing in the standings , you still need to earn your spot. It's about Merit. That's my argument. Sitting Brouwer does not disrupt this teams abilitiy to win games, the numbers don't lie, neither do our eyes.
I can see that people would hate to play Lazar and we finally lose and it could easily be blamed on that. So fine, keep Brouwer in while it's been agreed upon by many he stinks, and has no real evidence of him contributing to these wins.
tmurfin
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The thing is, what have Lazar and F. Hamilton contributed to these wins? What makes them a better option right now? Are they a big enough upgrade to risk rustling feathers in a tight, clicking, lockerroom?
Didn't think so.
Lunatik
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not just that, but last night was the first in a while where I'd say any line was "bad". No, the third line isn't producing lots, but they're contributing to special teams and have played with energy. Would we like then to be better? Of course, but they have been adequate and not bad.
Tkachuk Norris
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The third line has good games and bad games. I'd let them play it out, I think Bennett is on the verge of breaking out.
Don't think he has elite offensive skills though. I hope he becomes a Kesler/Backlund type.
Don't think he has elite offensive skills though. I hope he becomes a Kesler/Backlund type.
