Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[Cogliano13Gagner89]

Since Roloson, has this team gotten any quality goaltending for the entirety of a whole season not counting Talbot's 2016-2017 season?

Roli's last season was 2008-2009, there's been 15 seasons since then. You could argue they've gotten top quality goaltending in 1 of those 15 seasons!

 

[MessierII]

Since Roloson, has this team gotten any quality goaltending for the entirety of a whole season not counting Talbot's 2016-2017 season?

Roli's last season was 2008-2009, there's been 15 seasons since then. You could argue they've gotten top quality goaltending in 1 of those 15 seasons!

I think Dubnyk did fairly well Kruegers year. Talbot in his first year was also solid.

 

[McDNicks17]

I think we all know what we have to do.

Who wants to start the GoFundMe for Fire Schwartz billboards?

 

[bone]

I think Dubnyk did fairly well Kruegers year. Talbot in his first year was also solid.

Outside his rookie year and final year in Edmonton Dubnyk was good the entire time here really and I'd suggest he played behind even worse defense than most of the goalies since 2015.

3 good years pissed away because MacT thought he was smarter than everyone and that the solutions were Ference, Belov, Nikitin and the swarm.

 

[Stoneman89]

Since Roloson, has this team gotten any quality goaltending for the entirety of a whole season not counting Talbot's 2016-2017 season?

Roli's last season was 2008-2009, there's been 15 seasons since then. You could argue they've gotten top quality goaltending in 1 of those 15 seasons!

In Talbot's first year (2017), there was solid argument that he was the teams MVP, not McDavid. He really was that good, and unfortunately, there were a couple "moments" in the playoffs that sunk the team earlier than it should have. He lost confidence the next year, and then things snowballed. I always liked him and thought he probably go the raw end of the stick, but then again, he's no different than so many others who have come through this organization in the last 10-15 years.

 

[bone]

In Talbot's first year (2017), there was solid argument that he was the teams MVP, not McDavid. He really was that good, and unfortunately, there were a couple "moments" in the playoffs that sunk the team earlier than it should have. He lost confidence the next year, and then things snowballed. I always liked him and thought he probably go the raw end of the stick, but then again, he's no different than so many others who have come through this organization in the last 10-15 years.

Technically that was his second year. His first was also pretty good, but the team in front of him wasn't.

100% that was the best season by any goalie in the Schwartz era and it's not particularly close. He was still just a year removed from some amazing numbers in New York though so what's not clear to me is how much of that year's success was still from what he built then vs anything new he got from Schwartz. Only Talbot could likely say.

 

[TheSpecialist]

I'm not sure if this has been posted on here since I didn't go through each message but I read somewhere that Schwartz may be Daryl's brother in law as he's married to one of his sisters. That could very well explain his long tenure with the Oilers. I wonder if someone can confirm this.

 

[McShogun99]

I'm not sure if this has been posted on here since I didn't go through each message but I read somewhere that Schwartz may be Daryl's brother in law as he's in a relationship with one of his sisters. That could very well explain his long tenure with the Oilers.

Just give him a fancy executive title, hire a real goalie coach and be done with it.

 

[Barrsy]

I think we all know what we have to do.

Who wants to start the GoFundMe for Fire Schwartz billboards?

Pathetic

 

[Yukon Joe]

I'm not sure if this has been posted on here since I didn't go through each message but I read somewhere that Schwartz may be Daryl's brother in law as he's married to one of his sisters. That could very well explain his long tenure with the Oilers. I wonder if someone can confirm this.

No. Just no. I know Dustin's wife a tiny bit (that's how I met Dustin). Googling doesn't give me the name of Dustin's wife so I'm not going to give it here, or provide any other details about her.

But here's some proof for you.

This is the obituary of Daryl's father Barry. Barry did in fact have two daughters, one of whom is married but not to Dustin (and the daughters names Shelley and Alyssa are NOT the name of Dustin's wife).

Remembering the life of Bernard Katz

Bernard Katz passed away. This is the full obituary where you can express condolences and share memories. Published in the Edmonton Journal on 2021-08-18.

edmontonjournal.remembering.ca

 

[TheSpecialist]

No. Just no. I know Dustin's wife a tiny bit (that's how I met Dustin). Googling doesn't give me the name of Dustin's wife so I'm not going to give it here, or provide any other details about her.

But here's some proof for you.

This is the obituary of Daryl's father Barry. Barry did in fact have two daughters, one of whom is married but not to Dustin (and the daughters names Shelley and Alyssa are NOT the name of Dustin's wife).

Remembering the life of Bernard Katz

Bernard Katz passed away. This is the full obituary where you can express condolences and share memories. Published in the Edmonton Journal on 2021-08-18.

edmontonjournal.remembering.ca

I will have to take your word on that. Thanks for clarifying. All we can hope for now is that the guy gets fired and the Oilers bring in a goaltending coach capable of getting the best out of these goalies.

 

[Yukon Joe]

I will have to take your word on that. Thanks for clarifying. All we can hope for now is that the guy gets fired and the Oilers bring in a goaltending coach capable of getting the best out of these goalies.

You don't have to take my word for it - the obit lists who Daryl Katz's sisters are (and partners), and Dustin Schwartz is not one of them.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oh look he survived yet again. Not a serious team.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Oh look he survived yet again. Not a serious team.

He is literally going to have to pass away before he's out of a job.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Survives again. He must have some strong muscles in the mouthern region

 

[Bryanbryoil]

FFS if he needs to stay on the payroll just have him be our ebug and take shots in practice, then hire a real goalie coach.

 

[McFlash97]

Like I said , the only reason he's around is because he's got similar beliefs as Katz. There is absolutely no way this guy survived Woodcroft. The winningest coach in our history.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

He should've been the first one fired. Actual human sized cockroach. Kafka would be proud.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Like I said , the only reason he's around is because he's Jewish. There is absolutely no way this guy survived Woodcroft. The winningest coach in our history.

I mean I guess it's possible, but more likely there is something deeper than that (I would hope).

 

[Shizuka]

The infuriating thing is, they have Rodrigue's father working with some of the goalies, and he's done enough to warrant attention from other organizations according to Stauffer. I trust other organizations' evaluation processes far more than I trust this bush league team's.

So they have someone to step in, right away. Instead, this prick keeps surviving every single house cleaning on the coaching side. Every single f***ing time! WTF man.

 

[3IR]

It blows my mind how hard people can defend this guy. Not just forum posters, actual media personalities and people who are no doubt pushing the “results based business” and “needed a boost” stuff around the Woodcroft firing.

The guy has been AT BEST a non factor in this organization since he was hired. Why is he given so much f***ing rope when we’ve been so so so bad at keeping the puck out of the net despite it being our biggest weakness since mcdavid joined the league.

 

[Pavel10]

He survives again.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

I remember an article from 2013-14 which talked about Ben Scrivens and the work he was doing in LAK with their goalie coach, Bill "Oilers-cant-even-nepo-correctly" Ranford. It was a while back, but from what I recall, when he was in Toronto, he always had his glove down and kept his shoulders low, and had to move it higher to make saves on that side. Ranford coached him to keep his glove hand up, track the puck for better lateral movement and raise his shoulders to appear larger - and Scrivens really blossomed. We got him, he was decent in that season of acquisition, iirc, and then we hired Dustin Schwartz. I remember the hire because we were the laughing stock of the league re: goaltending because Dubnyk went to Arizona and Sean Burke nearly died, both of laughing and pain, trying to "coach the Edmonton" out of him. Think that quote may have been directly from Nashville but nevertheless.

The next season, by April, his form was completely gone again. And its been a run from Fasth to Skinner of watching goalies unable to lift their glove hand to make a f***ing save, unable to stop a cross ice feed beyond freak athleticism, and look like a shooter tutor sitting well inside their own nets.

The only player who has had sustained success as an Oilers goalie is Mike Smith, who refused to listen to this hack and hired his own goalie coach. Talbot went from Vezina nominee to journeyman. Broissoit went from promising prospect to washed up backup (to cup winner!) Campbell went from being at least an NHL starter to perhaps an elite ECHL third stringer. Skinner used a season of AHL goaltending learning to backstop a Calder nominated season to whatever the f*** the last 10 games have been.

His claim to fame is a career average 2.96 GAA/.906 s% Carter Hart. The first thing our hypothetical analytics department should do is look at why we have generationally ass goaltending.

I joked we should hire Mike Smith, because his glare and imminent aura of violence may cause opponent team errors, but at least he has an identifiable elite skill he could teach these numbnuts manning our net. I mean, if Skinner can't stop the puck, maybe he can stop giving the other team free goals with his horrific stick handling.

The only thing Schwartz does well is survive.

 

[Oilhawks]

Reverse-Midas Dusty Schwartzy survives yet another culling. The Rasputin of goalie coaches

 

[48g90a138pts]

He is the origin of the cancer of the lack of improvement at this position. It's time to move on from this era.