F Martin Necas - HC Kometa Brno, CZE JRS (2017, 12th, CAR)

[scallionjj11]

dude i understood what u meant in that Gmat-esque post. But this isnt some essay forum. Dont write so much and so fancy, no one will read it all.

You're not wrong, I also skipped over it, someone trying to hard to prove their point.

 

[brakeyawself]

dude i understood what u meant in that Gmat-esque post. But this isnt some essay forum. Dont write so much and so fancy, no one will read it all.

I always find it hysterical when people in forums complain about reading a couple of paragraphs or complain about “long” posts. It took less than a minute to read and probably less than a minute to write on the authors end. He actually made a fairly insightful a analogy.

We really are becoming the most impatient and lazy generation of human beings.

I think they both make valid points. I would certainly worry if Necas scored 0 points during an extended AHL stint. But I think if he is focusing on other aspects of the game, I wouldn’t necessarily expect him to put up massive points. Making adjustments to his game would certainly interfere with his offensive game as all aspects are linked and flow in to one another. But an offensive talent like him should still be able to take advantage of some opportunities to get points, just not as many as he likely would in a different situation..

Too much to read, I know.

Just for the record, the pre edited post took me less than 40 second to think and type.

 

[Elitersson]

The snarkiness in this thread is ridiculous. Anybody who is actually watching Necas in the AHL able to comment on his play so far? Had a couple points his last game.

 

[Legend123]

I always find it hysterical when people in forums complain about reading a couple of paragraphs or complain about “long” posts. It took less than a minute to read and probably less than a minute to write on the authors end. He actually made a fairly insightful a analogy.

We really are becoming the most impatient and lazy generation of human beings.

I think they both make valid points. I would certainly worry if Necas scored 0 points during an extended AHL stint. But I think if he is focusing on other aspects of the game, I wouldn’t necessarily expect him to put up massive points. Making adjustments to his game would certainly interfere with his offensive game as all aspects are linked and flow in to one another. But an offensive talent like him should still be able to take advantage of some opportunities to get points, just not as many as he likely would in a different situation..

Too much to read, I know.

Just for the record, the pre edited post took me less than 40 second to think and type.

Lol all generations are the same when faced with walls of text.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Also, later in the interview, he said : "Obviously it’d be nice if he chipped in (offensively) here and there, but that’s not what we’re expecting. We’re just expecting a good, hard, honest effort.”

The supplemental quote does significantly more than your original quote to reinforce your former claim, but again that such a strong statement as your original one follows... we will disagree inevitably...

Some friendly advice from a Guy On The Internet.

The correct repsonse after Leopain's post would have been: "Oh, I didn't catch that when I quickly glanced over the article you linked. My bad, it looks like your original point actually was backed up by a statement directly from the coach. Thanks for taking the time to find the actual quote that I didn't read."

You make that nice polite reply partially because it's good to be civil with people and will help you make friends. And partially because you just condescended to someone who knew what he was talking about, and so you kind of owe him an apology for forcing him to go through so much trouble to put you back in your place.

What does not work, is doubling-down on the condescention and playing the "agree to disagree" card, then moving on to snipe at others. That just makes you look like a complete ass.

I hope this advice helps you with a smooth entry into grad school. If it doesn't, you will be receiving it again shortly, from someone else.

Best,
THH

 

[kabidjan18]

Some friendly advice from a Guy On The Internet.

The correct repsonse after Leopain's post would have been: "Oh, I didn't catch that when I quickly glanced over the article you linked. My bad, it looks like your original point actually was backed up by a statement directly from the coach. Thanks for taking the time to find the actual quote that I didn't read."

You make that nice polite reply partially because it's good to be civil with people and will help you make friends. And partially because you just condescended to someone who knew what he was talking about, and so you kind of owe him an apology for forcing him to go through so much trouble to put you back in your place.

What does not work, is doubling-down on the condescention and playing the "agree to disagree" card, then moving on to snipe at others. That just makes you look like a complete ass.

I hope this advice helps you with a smooth entry into grad school. If it doesn't, you will be receiving it again shortly, from someone else.

Best,
THH

The article he linked was subscription based Op-Ed, so I asked for the relevant specific quote he was referencing. Clearly the free part had nothing of merit, and unless he provided more, it was irrelevant. He clearly understood, and first provided the quote you provided above. So I never glanced at the full article, and never said I did. Neither was it the main quote in focus in the post from which you drew my latter quote, which was concerning a supplemental quote (which I argued supported his claim better) and the discussion about the extent to which either of the quotes supported his claim, which is not at all apparent. Which goes into your silly little apology post. There's a nearly insurmountable amount of wiggle room I would have as a debater to demonstrate that the quotes he provided didn't match the strength of his assessment of them. I actually argue that for a bit, and only pull the "agree to disagree" card because I don't feel like reiterating myself to further a debate over something I don't actually think could ever be conclusively proven one way or the other, that we would be opining on the exact mental state of the coaching staff with regards to Necas from some vague comments. The best case scenario in such a debate would be a long drawn-out discussion about hockey-related linguistics that would be speculative in nature, and you probably found the other debate about language to be as or even more of a bore, so I wouldn't blame me from side-stepping this one.

That you perceived or misperceived the conversation to have gone one way or the other, or some characters to have some levels of merit or not, is really not either here nor there. It took us a while to see what really was at hand, and it turned out that I had taken exception to a claim that Leopain had not intended to make, at which point I took the step back because I agree with the claim that he did make.

At this point I could give you some life advice as well, acting as though I had some superiority in presumed age or maturity, and assert that you will need to know it or face some sort of consequence down the line. Perhaps at this point you will have already perceived that you found logical holes or gaps in my argument prior. So the likelihood that you will want to take any advice from me, someone who theoretically at this point will have both proven myself in your eyes to be illogical and have attempted to patronize you...how do I say this...it's fairly negligible. So I hope you can also understand where I come from with regards to your advice. If you have a good heart, at least I thank you for the effort afforded.

 

[Elitersson]

The article he linked was subscription based Op-Ed, so I asked for the relevant specific quote he was referencing. Clearly the free part had nothing of merit, and unless he provided more, it was irrelevant. He clearly understood, and first provided the quote you provided above. So I never glanced at the full article, and never said I did. Neither was it the main quote in focus in the post from which you drew my latter quote, which was concerning a supplemental quote (which I argued supported his claim better) and the discussion about the extent to which either of the quotes supported his claim, which is not at all apparent. Which goes into your silly little apology post. There's a nearly insurmountable amount of wiggle room I would have as a debater to demonstrate that the quotes he provided didn't match the strength of his assessment of them. I actually argue that for a bit, and only pull the "agree to disagree" card because I don't feel like reiterating myself to further a debate over something I don't actually think could ever be conclusively proven one way or the other, that we would be opining on the exact mental state of the coaching staff with regards to Necas from some vague comments. The best case scenario in such a debate would be a long drawn-out discussion about hockey-related linguistics that would be speculative in nature, and you probably found the other debate about language to be as or even more of a bore, so I wouldn't blame me from side-stepping this one.

That you perceived or misperceived the conversation to have gone one way or the other, or some characters to have some levels of merit or not, is really not either here nor there. It took us a while to see what really was at hand, and it turned out that I had taken exception to a claim that Leopain had not intended to make, at which point I took the step back because I agree with the claim that he did make.

At this point I could give you some life advice as well, acting as though I had some superiority in presumed age or maturity, and assert that you will need to know it or face some sort of consequence down the line. Perhaps at this point you will have already perceived that you found logical holes or gaps in my argument prior. So the likelihood that you will want to take any advice from me, someone who theoretically at this point will have both proven myself in your eyes to be illogical and have attempted to patronize you...how do I say this...it's fairly negligible. So I hope you can also understand where I come from with regards to your advice. If you have a good heart, at least I thank you for the effort afforded.

Give it a rest dude, you're contributing nothing to this thread.

 

[kabidjan18]

Give it a rest dude, you're contributing nothing to this thread.

I did. I left. Acknowledged the argument I initially addressed was not the argument the author had intended, quite literally told him to ignore me. That was 2 days ago.

Someone else came in, felt like patronizing me with unsolicited advice whilst being extremely presumptive. So how about this. Since we both want this thread to return to a discussion of Necas, we both let this conversation return, whenever it may choose, to a conversation about Necas.

 

[Leopain]

I did. I left. Acknowledged the argument I initially addressed was not the argument the author had intended, quite literally told him to ignore me. That was 2 days ago.

Someone else came in, felt like patronizing me with unsolicited advice whilst being extremely presumptive. So how about this. Since we both want this thread to return to a discussion of Necas, we both let this conversation return, whenever it may choose, to a conversation about Necas.

We spoke in private. Let's stop the pissing contest. People come here to read about Necas, not the extent of our egos.

 

[Ainec]

someone tldr original argument

 

[kabidjan18]

someone tldr original argument

Leopain said Necas not scoring in 4 games was not a concern, and I think we all agree he/she is correct.

 

[Ainec]

Leopain said Necas not scoring in 4 games was not a concern, and I think we all agree he/she is correct.

yeah but what was the actual disagreement

 

[kabidjan18]

yeah but what was the actual disagreement

I thought he didn't intend his claim to be time-sensitive (with regards to the 4 games), so it seemed extreme, but he did.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Is this thread about Necas?

 

[tfong]

2 points in 5 A

someone tldr original argument

2 points in 5 AHL games = bust.

 

[Brett44]

Kamenev + 2nd (Avs)for Necas
are you ready To sign?

 

[Babula]

Kamenev + 2nd (Avs)for Necas
are you ready To sign?

Is there any kind of bad weather in Colorado ?

 

[Brett44]

Is there any kind of bad weather in Colorado ?

Kamenev with Svechnikov
And Necas with Kaut
Both team will be happy.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Kamenev with Svechnikov
And Necas with Kaut
Both team will be happy.

That makes no sense for the Canes

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Kamenev with Svechnikov
And Necas with Kaut
Both team will be happy.

If by both teams, you mean Colorado and the Avalanche, then you are correct.

 

[that is unfortunate]

Started off slow-ish with no points in his first 4 AHL games, up to 10 in 15 and 10 in his last 11 games and his goal scoring is starting to come along too. I really think he will end up over PPG depending on how long he spends in the AHL. I wouldn't even mind if he spends the entire season in Charlotte and gets fully used to NA ice, could be a serious contender for the Calder next year.

 

[spockBokk]

I don’t think he’ll be in the AHL much longer. The Canes desperately need offensive fwds, and with Rask back, they can ease Necas back into the big leagues on the wing until he’s ready to center a scoring line on his own.

 

[Mose]

I don’t think he’ll be in the AHL much longer. The Canes desperately need offensive fwds, and with Rask back, they can ease Necas back into the big leagues on the wing until he’s ready to center a scoring line on his own.

I would think it is 50/50 that he stays in the AHL. If he stays in Charlotte, then his ELC slides a year. That could be valuable if Svechnikov breaks out, which is looking more likely. Also I would think Necas is third in line right now for a call up behind Kuokkanen and Maenalanen (because Maenalanen can play on the PK). In fact, I would think Necas is close to Saarela for a call up. Starting in February McKegg might even be the top choice because of experience.

 

[Ainec]

4 assists last game

17 points in last 17, ppg if not for the first 4 pointless games



lol if canes continue to miss playoffs with

aho necas svechnikov teravainen ferland kuokkanen
slavin hamilton faulk pesce cdh

 

[kabidjan18]

Kuokkanen Roy Necas line really woke up tonight.