Proposal: Erik Karlsson to Pittsburgh

[justafan22]

No guentzel, no karlsson. it's that simple.

 

[PensandCaps]

Letang alone is an overpayment. Letang is locked in at a great price.

 

[Crocoduck]

Letang alone is an overpayment. Letang is locked in at a great price.

You can't be serious..

 

[tntkid]

Very bad deal for Ottawa.

Ottawa could get a much better deal from another team for Karlsson.

 

[seabass45]

Malkin for Karlsson, make adds where necessary. I don't see a fit otherwise.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Karlsson doesn't have the value that Senators fans in here think, but this isn't enough from the Penguins. And honestly I don't know know why the Penguins would pay that price for a year and a half of Karlsson.

 

[Fatty McLardy]

There's no way in hell Penguins would ever add Guentzel to that for 1 year of Karlsson. I'd rather them take their chances at him in the free agency, if he gets to it.

 

[bert]

Pittsburgh receives:
• Erik Karlsson, D ($6.5M)
• Ryan Dzingel, LW ($1.8M)

Ottawa receives:
• Kris Letang, D ($7.5M)
• Daniel Sprong, RW
• 2018 First Round Pick
• 2019 Second Round Pick

Why Pittsburgh Does It:
The Penguins are exploring shaking up the team. Karlsson may be having a down year (most likely due to injury) but he is arguably one of the greatest defenseman of all time and is an upgrade over Letang. Going for it with Karlsson for the next two years is worth giving up Letang's longer salary and Sprong. Dzingel is a good bottom six player.

Why Ottawa Does It:
The Senators are in a major funk right now, and with their owner's indecisiveness towards paying players alot of money and with the threat of him walking for nothing, trade Karlsson. Letang when healthy is a top pairing D-Man, and is still only 30 years old and signed for another 4 years at $7.5 AAV (around the going rate for top pairing defenseman). Sprong has the potential to be a top six player and is still on his rookie contract. With the extra picks they could try and use it to dump Bobby Ryan and his salary.

Thoughts?

And ottawa adds Dzingel bhahahahahaha

 

[Liver King]

what about Brassard + for Letang?

 

[NyQuil]

If you had a feeling that you couldn't retain your younger, often better (not always), less expensive but on the verge of being much more expensive defenseman. You gain assets and picks in the process - that's asset management.

Now, why this particular trade? Not sure. Also not sure Karlsson garnishes a whole lot without some sort of contract commitment. The only teams wanting a rental defensemen of that caliber would be contenders - and contenders are going to be highly selective of what they give up...obviously if they give up too much then they lose their status of contender. Likely why these deals always fail on public forums - nobody here seems to like the idea of a middle ground on any argument.

I'm not trying to be completely unproductive.

I'm certainly not one of those people who thinks that Karlsson will return his market value given his contract status, current level of play and dubious health.

It just seems as if Letang doesn't really answer any of those questions either.

In some ways, he's almost counter-productive because he still takes up a sizeable amount of cap space. If the decision is made to trade Karlsson, acquiring Letang just delays the inevitable anyway.

Ottawa picked up Kovalev awhile back to artificially prolong a competitive window that was pretty much closed anyway. They might have been better off not having him at all.

 

[DearDiary]

No chance Letang is the centerpiece of a Karlsson deal, just doesn't make sense.

If you asked me what it would take right now I'd say something around Malkin (i.e not happening). If the summer rolls around and Karlsson makes it very clear he's not re-signing and forces a trade I'd be looking at a package of younger players (Mattaa, Guentzel, Sheary, Sprong, 1st, ect)

Malkin > 1.5 years of Karlsson

 

[crazyhawk]

I understand the not wanting to sign an unsigned player but isn't there ways around that where a handshake agreement is in place.
There would be no sense in Ottawa trading Karlsson without him being signed long term.
So either Sens sign and trade or a team trades for his rights with a handshake agreement in place ... I know tampering etc but there has to be a way.

 

[Cotton]

karlsson is a top 3-5 player in the league, Pens fans are bringing weak sauce to the trade table, that offer gets easily beat by many other teams.

I think Karlsson is a rare case because players of that value are never available, you won’t see GM’s making these weak offers thinking they’ll actually land him because he’s going to be a FA. As if other GM’s aren’t going to outbid each other until the offers are near market value. I don’t think anyone would be worried about him signing either, that a bs exscuse used to low-ball, everyone knows if you pay him he’ll sign.

 

[Riptide]

Letang has a no trade in his contract he would never approve a trade to Ottawa

Maybe, maybe not. But it's a limited one, so he can't block everyone, and it would have been one that he likely would have written in the summer, when Ottawa was coming off their game 7 ECF double OT loss.

 

[Riptide]

If the primary reason for Karlsson leaving Ottawa was to be money, there is no way in hell they would be taking Letang back.

Why? Ottawa would be securing a #1D who's signed for 4 more seasons at an affordable 7.25m. That's something that allows Ottawa to work out their roster while not having to go through a complete rebuild.

 

[Riptide]

Pitts doesn't have the pieces. Or pieces they would want to give up. It would def be something starting around Malkin.

Man this place cracks me up sometimes. You're dreaming if that's the sort of return you think you're going to get for him. No one will offer that - no one.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

You can't be serious..

check his/her username...

 

[JT Kreider]

I don't think Letang is the type of player they should be trading for. Moving on from Karlsson pretty much means you're moving towards a rebuild. It can be a short rebuild if they do It right.

They need to get young cost controlled high potential players.

Letang with all his injuries and his struggles this year would scare the heck out of me if I am Ottawa.

 

[Sureves]

This is a super bizarre thread. Lots of bad offers in here. No to everything I've read.

 

[BK201]

Malkin.

 

[BK201]

Terrible for Ottawa

A Karlsson to Pittsburgh trade probably begins with Maata

Malkin actually.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

I don't think Letang is the type of player they should be trading for. Moving on from Karlsson pretty much means you're moving towards a rebuild. It can be a short rebuild if they do It right.

They need to get young cost controlled high potential players.

Letang with all his injuries and his struggles this year would scare the heck out of me if I am Ottawa.

Like Karlsson with his foot and his own struggles?

 

[JT Kreider]

Like Karlsson with his foot and his own struggles?

Don't even want to get into comparing Letangs injury history to Karlsson coming off a relatively routine surgery and missing all off training camp.

Same thing happened with Benn, Giroux, Gostisbehere last year and they have rebounded as expected.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Letang alone is an overpayment. Letang is locked in at a great price.

You're kidding, right? Letang has no place in a potential trade for Karlsson anyways because half the teams in the league could match that.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Like Karlsson with his foot and his own struggles?

These two aren't comparable at all. Letang has had buttloads of injuries over the years and this is what, Karlssons first or second severe one?