Value of: Could Toronto acquire one of the following dman?

[Leafblooded]

Canucks counter with

Tanev


For


Kapenen
Liljegren
2018 1st

And then it goes from there

Want us to throw Matthews in there, maybe Willy and Mitch too? If only Jim Benning was our GM!

 

[TheNewEra]

Lol. this is not even close. I wouldn't trade anyone of Kapanen, Liljegren and definitely not the 1st for Tanev, let alone all three.....

ok lets not go to the opposite end of the scale

that was definitely a bad trade offer and i agree you shouldnt consider trading liljegren since he slipped and could be the real deal

depending on the dman though the leafs should consider trading kapanen at least and maybe the first but i would avoid it if possible since the atlantic is a huge crapshoot

 

[93gilmour93]

Gio and Hamilton are a no. Flames acquire Hamilton and Hamonic to strengthen the top 4. Trading one away makes no sense.

Ya I agree. Calgary won't be moving any d men this season

 

[Falon]

And if so...for what?

Montour
Manson
Vatanen
Hamilton
Giordano
Hanifan
Faulk
Pesce
Seabrook
Brodin
Dumba
Ellis
Ekholm
Bouwmeester
Parayko
Stralman
Tanev
Trouba

The list is very good, but assuming you don't want to give up any of the big 3, the list gets shorter:

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Stralman
Tanev

Given the extraordinarily tight competition for playoff spots, also assume that no team from the East wants to aid Toronto in getting better.

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Tanev

Next criteria would be whether or not the team has the depth to move the player. Now the list gets even shorter.

Montour
Giordano
Braun

Finally, the list needs to reflect a player the Leafs would actually be interested in.

Montour
Braun

That's it, that is the list of defensemen that meets all of the criteria. If I missed anything, please feel free to amend. Any proposals should be for these two players only, as anything else doesn't work for one or both of the teams involved in the trade.

 

[crowi]

snip
Finally, the list needs to reflect a player the Leafs would be actually be interested in.

Montour
Braun

That's it, that is the list of defensemen that meets all of the criteria. If I missed anything, please feel free to amend. Any proposals should be for these two players only, as anything else doesn't work for one or both of the teams involved in the trade.

Yeah, you missed the part where Ducks fans (management doesn't seem to either) do not want to trade Montour. I'm sure leaf fans will keep making proposals whether Ducks fans agree or not. Bring out the JVRs as usual.

 

[Ducks in a row]

The list is very good, but assuming you don't want to give up any of the big 3, the list gets shorter:

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Stralman
Tanev

Given the extraordinarily tight competition for playoff spots, also assume that no team from the East wants to aid Toronto in getting better.

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Tanev

Next criteria would be whether or not the team has the depth to move the player. Now the list gets even shorter.

Montour
Giordano
Braun

Finally, the list needs to reflect a player the Leafs would actually be interested in.

Montour
Braun

That's it, that is the list of defensemen that meets all of the criteria. If I missed anything, please feel free to amend. Any proposals should be for these two players only, as anything else doesn't work for one or both of the teams involved in the trade.

Ducks no longer have Theodore so we don't won't to get rid of Montour too and we have Lindholm and Vatanen who are hurt and can be missing a good amount of games to start the season. We aren't trading Montour.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

The list is very good, but assuming you don't want to give up any of the big 3, the list gets shorter:

Brodin

Brodin wouldn't be moved unless one of the big three is coming back. We can't afford to lose another dman unless a high impact forward is coming back. Wild and leafs do not make good trading partners.

 

[MajorLeaf]

The Leafs should pass on Tanev and Vatenen both are 26/27 years old right now and both have contracts expiring prior to the young core hitting their prime years. By the time the young core hits prime years around 26 years old both of these players will be around 32/33 years old on more expensive contracts.

Matt Dumba is intriguing but doubt the Wild are trading him. The Maple Leafs should possibly look at Brett Pesce from the Hurricanes as he fits around the same age as the young core along with an extension that would be more suitable in the coming years.

What would the Hurricanes want for Pesce if they do decide to move him?

 

[Flamesjustwin]

why would anyone want Bouwmeester? You don't win with Bouw.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Wasn't he on the block leading up to trade deadline this year? It was out there as a rumour

No, there was no credible rumor that Faulk was on the block.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Nylander + Carrick for Faulk + Skinner

maybe add Kapanen from the Leafs

So canes score less goals and get worse in defense? Can see why they would be all over that.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Matthews + 2nd for parayko seems fair.

 

[xxreact9]

The Leafs should pass on Tanev and Vatenen both are 26/27 years old right now and both have contracts expiring prior to the young core hitting their prime years. By the time the young core hits prime years around 26 years old both of these players will be around 32/33 years old on more expensive contracts.

Matt Dumba is intriguing but doubt the Wild are trading him. The Maple Leafs should possibly look at Brett Pesce from the Hurricanes as he fits around the same age as the young core along with an extension that would be more suitable in the coming years.

What would the Hurricanes want for Pesce if they do decide to move him?

Whats better, the big 3 all near their prime making 800k each or the big 3 in their prime making over 25 million combined?

Thats what managers must consider.

Leafs have a great window for ONE more season before jvr bozak komarov ufas likely lost due to many rfas.

They shouldve given their team a better chance last season too for the same reason. The series was dead even. Dead dead even in every way, and they had an ECHL body in their top 6 through all those miles in all those overtimes.

A simple 2nd or 3rd for rental D and the series at a very minimum goes 7 games with a coin flip to move on.

This year is the same. Mature elc players means huge pay increase

 

[MajorLeaf]

Whats better, the big 3 all near their prime making 800k each or the big 3 in their prime making over 25 million combined?

Thats what managers must consider.

Leafs have a great window for ONE more season before jvr bozak komarov ufas likely lost due to many rfas.

They shouldve given their team a better chance last season too for the same reason. The series was dead even. Dead dead even in every way, and they had an ECHL body in their top 6 through all those miles in all those overtimes.

A simple 2nd or 3rd for rental D and the series at a very minimum goes 7 games with a coin flip to move on.

This year is the same. Mature elc players means huge pay increase

The Leafs would not have beaten the Penguins. Let's be real. This is the first time the Leafs made the playoffs in awhile. Next year could be a different ball game or they may just be good again. You don't want to give away high end players (one of the young forwards in Marner, Nylander and Matthews) for a high end #1/2D.

Look at what happened with the Flyers after making the playoffs and then the year after they got the 2nd overall pick and drafted JvR. Do the Leafs want a repeat of Seguin?

The Leafs were not willing to over pay for Hamonic, so what makes anyone sure they will overpay for one player that may or may not put the team over the top?

 

[TeamBester]

Matthews + 2nd for parayko seems fair.

Adding to Matthews to get Parayko? Susf...

 

[bernmeister]

Holden is a bottom pair D...not needed.

Staal? Lol...ya right.

We can't afford what you want for McD.

fine and thanks

just to be clear here; pt of taking Staal as cap dump etc is not to snooker, but give chance for trading partner to reduce price of McD, who you correctly noted will be a premium.

Offers for McD alone would be entertained, but then obviously, cost more if Staal not included

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Matthews + 2nd for parayko seems fair.

Toronto probably won't trade away their top scorer. I think he's good where he is right now.

 

[CanadienShark]

The list is very good, but assuming you don't want to give up any of the big 3, the list gets shorter:

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Stralman
Tanev

Given the extraordinarily tight competition for playoff spots, also assume that no team from the East wants to aid Toronto in getting better.

Montour
Giordano
Seabrook
Brodin
Ellis
Ekholm
Braun
Bouwmeester
Tanev

Next criteria would be whether or not the team has the depth to move the player. Now the list gets even shorter.

Montour
Giordano
Braun

Finally, the list needs to reflect a player the Leafs would actually be interested in.

Montour
Braun

That's it, that is the list of defensemen that meets all of the criteria. If I missed anything, please feel free to amend. Any proposals should be for these two players only, as anything else doesn't work for one or both of the teams involved in the trade.

SJ would have wanted your 1st, but since Lilj slipped, I don't think you'd move him for Braun. No thanks on Kapanen.

 

[Liferleafer]

fine and thanks

just to be clear here; pt of taking Staal as cap dump etc is not to snooker, but give chance for trading partner to reduce price of McD, who you correctly noted will be a premium.

Offers for McD alone would be entertained, but then obviously, cost more if Staal not included

We've got 3 big signings coming in 2-3 years...so cap dumps are a no go. And again, i won't even make an offer on McD.

 

[Chan790]

What would the Hurricanes want for Pesce if they do decide to move him?

The Canes have exactly 3 RHD that are NHL-ready and not crap...so the offer would have to be significant enough to justify creating a massive roster hole where Faulk is the only legit top-4 RHD in the entire Canes system today.

Beyond that, Pesce is 22, plays top-pair minutes on one of the best shutdown pairings in the NHL, is on his ELC and has substantial potential to improve further from the #2/3D he is today. After Aho and Slavin, he's probably the Canes least-available player. (Him or Staal, just because we can't replace either easily.)

A lot...more than you'd pay and more than I want to say because I don't want to have a 10 page argument with Leafs fans about how he's not worth what Francis would actually ask for.

 

[MajorLeaf]

The Canes have exactly 3 RHD that are NHL-ready and not crap...so the offer would have to be significant enough to justify creating a massive roster hole where Faulk is the only legit top-4 RHD in the entire Canes system today.

Beyond that, Pesce is 22, plays top-pair minutes on one of the best shutdown pairings in the NHL, is on his ELC and has substantial potential to improve further from the #2/3D he is today. After Aho and Slavin, he's probably the Canes least-available player. (Him or Staal, just because we can't replace either easily.)

A lot...more than you'd pay and more than I want to say because I don't want to have a 10 page argument with Leafs fans about how he's not worth what Francis would actually ask for.

Fair enough. Thought the Hurricanes had more depth on defence to replace Pesce for scoring help. Pesce should be kept by Carolina as he will only get better. Seems like there are not many options for the Leafs at this time.

 

[Chan790]

Fair enough. Thought the Hurricanes had more depth on defence to replace Pesce for scoring help. Pesce should be kept by Carolina as he will only get better. Seems like there are not many options for the Leafs at this time.

We're really deep on the left-hand side: Slavin, Hanifin, Fleury, Bean, Trevor Carrick--they're all either in the NHL or have an NHL future, if not in Carolina, then somewhere else. The ideal situation for the Canes is the one where they can get a comparable F spec for one of Fleury, Bean or Carrick.

On the right-hand side, the two best specs we have are Roland McKeown and Luke Martin...both are going to be good some day, but they're not ready today. TVR playing 2nd-pair minutes would be a disaster. Dahlbeck can play both sides...but he's not good enough to be a top-4 D.

 

[93gilmour93]

Matthews + 2nd for parayko seems fair.

Crazy talk. Leafs at least throw in marner

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Crazy talk. Leafs at least throw in marner

The guy is an obvious troll and isn't worth responding to. His name is in reference to the troll religion the church of the flying spaghetti monster I think so ya lol

 

[JVRbot]

I think Manson for Matthews is fair.