Value of: Connor McDavid (thought experiment involving NHL players, not picks or prospects)

[rajinikanthfan1]

I say let connor Mcdavid go to the penguins because sidney crosby is his role model

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015...-mcdavid-calls-penguins-crosby-his-role-model


To Penguins
1st Overall

To oilers
Malkin
1 round pick
Prospect

 

[couture23]

Wouldn't trade either straight up for McDavid.

You wouldn't trade Seguin for McDavid? Is that what you're really saying?

 

[MessierII]

You wouldn't trade Seguin for McDavid? Is that what you're really saying?

Yes. In the cap world there is no player worth Connor Mcdavid. This kid looks unreal. He's having a better playoffs than Crosby his draft year. I wouldn't trade him straight across for Crosby, Stamkos nobody.

 

[zar]

in my view i think connor mcdavid is good but who knows about NHL Futures??

Remember these guys who were considered the next one

Alexander Daigle
Angelo Espiteso
Patrick Stefann

Those players were not in the same league as McDavid as far as potential goes.

EDM: Malkin + Reilly or Hanifin*(If Available)
TOR: McDavid
PIT: Kessel + 1st(2016-edm) or 1st(pits)

LOL so TML give up Kessel+Reilly or Hannafin and net McDavid...


If I am Chia, I take the Florida deal. Done. I highly value McDavid but that offer would be too much for me to say no... and that ladies and gentlemen is what it would take to pry the #1 overall selection from the Edmonton Oilers, overpayment.

 

[zar]

I say let connor Mcdavid go to the penguins because sidney crosby is his role model

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015...-mcdavid-calls-penguins-crosby-his-role-model


To Penguins
1st Overall

To oilers
Malkin
1 round pick
Prospect

Uh... we already own your 1st round pick.

 

[couture23]

Yes. In the cap world there is no player worth Connor Mcdavid. This kid looks unreal. He's having a better playoffs than Crosby his draft year. I wouldn't trade him straight across for Crosby, Stamkos nobody.

I was replying to a guy (Stars fan) who said he wouldn't trade Benn or Seguin for McDavid.

 

[MessierII]

I was replying to a guy (Stars fan) who said he wouldn't trade Benn or Seguin for McDavid.

I see that now my bad.

For comparison sake Seguin in his draft year played 63 games and had 106 points.

Mcdavid between regular season and playoffs right now has played 61 games and has 157 points.

 

[Johno]

You wouldn't trade Seguin for McDavid? Is that what you're really saying?

That's what is being said.
With the chemistry Benn and Seguin have, it would be kinda idiotic to break that up in hopes of something working out. Besides McDavid is still unknown in the NHL. With both of the bros we know what we have. Benn is going to be scoring 85-90 point and Seguin is probably 100 point bound.
Surely McDavid could score more, also he could just end up as good as Seguin or who knows maybe worse. Anyway that would likely set Dallas back, as we are trying to get in to cup contention in the next year or two.

 

[ikyan]

That's what is being said.
With the chemistry Benn and Seguin have, it would be kinda idiotic to break that up in hopes of something working out. Besides McDavid is still unknown in the NHL. With both of the bros we know what we have. Benn is going to be scoring 85-90 point and Seguin is probably 100 point bound.
Surely McDavid could be score more, also he could just end up as good as Seguin or who knows maybe worse. Anyway that would likely set Dallas back, as we are trying to get in to cup contention in the next year or two.

 

[Johno]

I see that now my bad.

For comparison sake Seguin in his draft year played 63 games and had 106 points.

Mcdavid between regular season and playoffs right now has played 61 games and has 157 points.

Oh yeah that's like the best indicator...

Remember when the next Gretzky, Corey Locke, score 151 points in 66 games and added 38p in 23 playoff games. Damn is tearing up the league nowadays...

 

[Seachd]

Oh yeah that's like the best indicator...

Remember when the next Gretzky, Corey Locke, score 151 points in 66 games and added 38p in 23 playoff games. Damn is tearing up the league nowadays...

If you ever thought Corey Locke was the next Gretzky, you either have serious talent evaluation problems, or more forgiveably, you're just remembering it wrong.

 

[ChrisWinsor]

Stastny + Schwartz + Elliot

 

[BUCKLE UP]

If you ever thought Corey Locke was the next Gretzky, you either have serious talent evaluation problems, or more forgiveably, you're just remembering it wrong.

To be fair, Corey Locke was a beauty.

 

[buttman*]

Toronto would/should do a Lindros type deal.

Fix Edmonton:

4th overall (Hanifin)
Reilly
JVR
Bernier
Phaneuf

for

McDavid and a cap dump (Nikitin/Ferrence)

That's a goalie, JVR to round out their top 6 with Leon D. and 3 defencemen that will solidify their backend with Nurse and Klefbom.

If they want Komorov and Polak who are also great depth players -- they can have them as well. Would also substitue Kessel for JVR but for cap reasons that might not work.

If Edmonton wants to dump Scrivens or Schultz they could add them as well.

Hall RNH Eberle
JVR Dras Yak

Nurse Phaneuf
Reilly Hanifin
Schultz Klefbom

Bernier

 

[buttman*]

Oh yeah that's like the best indicator...

Remember when the next Gretzky, Corey Locke, score 151 points in 66 games and added 38p in 23 playoff games. Damn is tearing up the league nowadays...

Well you could also watch McDavid and see the talent yourself. Seguin is a great player but McDavid is a step above.

 

[Sidney BrOSSby*]

Uh... we already own your 1st round pick.

It's went the other way in the Perron trade, right? We don't have one this year.

I guess Rutherford's job is done.

 

[DiscoBall]

Probably Not, But:
Oilers:

Cory Schneider
Adam Henrique
Larsson
#6

Devils:
McDavid

 

[strictlyrandy]

Well you could also watch McDavid and see the talent yourself. Seguin is a great player but McDavid is a step above.

You have to include the situation a team is in when evaluating a trade. There's zero reason for Dallas to trade Seguin for a guy that is considered a step above him. That still doesn't address Dallas's needs. There's very few teams that would be willing to give up what would be required for McDavid.

 

[Johno]

Well you could also watch McDavid and see the talent yourself. Seguin is a great player but McDavid is a step above.

Never said that he wasn't. Just answering the guy who thought junior points was a solid way to tell the future of the players...

I have watched McDavid play countless times, yet have seen none of his NHL games sarcasm: I'll add that here because sarcasm meters seem to be broken around here...) so it's hard to say that he will be clearly a step above. Let's wait for him to play a season in the show, or at least a handful of games. Surely if he reaches his potential, yes. But it's not a given.

Also the point from my perspective was that the extra 5-10 points and marginally better overall play from McDavid, 3-4 years from now is not beneficial to the Stars...

 

[dingbathero]

Lindros type of package.
2 - Top Young NHL players
1 - Starting goaltender or Top goalie prospect
2 - Top prospects
2- Top picks Flyers gave up 2 1sts in the deal for Lindros.

Okay, I'll play.


B. Schenn
Simmonds
Stolarz
Cousins
Hagg
2015 7th OA
2016 1st

THEN for some reason the Hab's leave Price in net getting shelled and he walks past the coach on the bench and tells the GM, that will be his last game in MTL, thus being traded to Edm.

 

[BPD]

Nobody will trade #1 Overall unless Crosby+ is involved. He is supposed to be the best player of the 21st century (so far). Don't see why a team would take a chance on trading that.

The #1 overall pick is always - and I mean always - horrendously overvalued by other teams. A team with a vast pool of young players can end up gutting championship caliber talent for the sake of hope.

The easiest example of this is Lindros, even though the situations aren't perfectly analogous. You make that trade 10 times out of 10 from the Quebec perspective and you don't think twice.

For arguments sake - if Chicago calls up Edmonton and goes, "Right, we'll give you our next 2 #1s, Teravainen, TVR, Pokka and Saad", Edmonton would be absolutely bat**** crazy to not take it, and Chicago would think they've stolen two more cups.

 

[couture23]

For arguments sake - if Chicago calls up Edmonton and goes, "Right, we'll give you our next 2 #1s, Teravainen, TVR, Pokka and Saad", Edmonton would be absolutely bat**** crazy to not take it, and Chicago would think they've stolen two more cups.

Ah yes, two late firsts, a potential 2C in TT, two second-pairing defenseman (at best), and a winger in Saad (which Edmonton doesn't need) for the most hyped prospect since Crosby.

Where do they sign? That package is laughable.

 

[McBooya42]

I have a thought experiment for you. Taking age, contract and term into consideration what NHL player (or players) approximates the value of McDavid? You can ignore trade clauses because this is a simple thought experiment. Please do not include prospects or draft picks in the discussion of McDavid's value.

For example, if McDavid is valued at AAa- what player or players as a package is also rated as AAa-?

Bonus points for the fairest deal.

He's priceless...

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[Smart Alek]

I think it would be best for my mental health to stop perusing HFBoards for the next 9 months, because reading "McDavid's unproven at the NHL level" 10²⁴ times would ultimately be far, far more frustrating than any possible benefits could make up for.

Isn't this supposed to be 'Hockey's Future'? Where we (for fun) evaluate and project the future potential of hockey prospects? Aren't we supposed to be relatively knowledgeable about hockey prospects, with at least minimal abilities at judging skill levels, and probable NHL upsides?

Anybody who says Connor McDavid *could* bust, or not be (at the very least) a very elite player, is either new to the game, completely inept at talent evaluation, or (probably the case most often) using their (silly) team fandom (and its inherent pride considerations) to cloud their judgement.

I wish we could have a version of hfboards where only people unsullied by 'cheering for a team' would opine... unfortunately, that site would likely only be used by myself and Bob McKenzie.

 

[Smart Alek]

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