Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Agreed. And Gorton is already having a really good offseason. One of the better ones in recent years.
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Agreed. And Gorton is already having a really good offseason. One of the better ones in recent years.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Agreed, but there's no way we'll ever know for certain.
Wait... what?
On a more serious note, I am loving this offseason more than any since... jeez, I don't know when. And the crazy thing is, it can get better. Gorton's first true season in control has been brilliant - so far. Keep it up!
Better be a helluva RH PMD. Not a fan whatsoever of getting rid of Klein.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
If a Klein trade ends up similar to the Brassard deal, I'm not seeing a problem.
Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Klein may not be a "puck moving defenseman" but he has put up good offensive numbers for us while being very solid defensively.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Without Vesey, he was doing a bang up job compared to the prior 2 offseasons, which were quite frankly, south of awful.
If Gorton can overhaul the Rangers professional scouting side, I think my confidence would be somewhat restored in managements ability to build a sustainable roster. Lets face it, a lot of their trouble has been the result of bad advice with players that are already professional. I am not going to list them because it's been discussed ad-nauseum.
Gorton needs to complete an entire organizations roster (Rangers --> Hartford --> JR's --->College-->International leagues, not really in any particular order after Hartford) with young players constantly rotated into the mix on a year by year basis. That's the only way to build sustainable success in the cap era. Of course along the way he can make a move here or there that would bring a vet in or a missing piece, like a PMD.
I think he 's had a great start in this offseason, he's brought the Rangers further in the last 2 months than they have in the last 2 years.
YoSoyLalo
me reading HF
I'm not, either. I would only move him if a big upgrade at defense was coming back or the value was just TOO good to pass up.
At the moment, I'd say Klein is our only proven, legitimately good defenseman after McD.
EDIT: Forgot Holden, who I like and I think was WAY over utilized by Roy, but where's he going to play? Ideally we'd move Staal and have McD-Holden-Skjei down the left, which is solid, but with Staal in things become complicated. We SHOULD have Holden in the lineup for sure, but it's tough to justify sitting Staal outright because of A) his salary and B) he's not THAT bad, unlike Girardi, he's still NHL-caliber.
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NYRFAN218
King
If they don't move anyone, I really have to believe they're going to be utilizing 7 D on a game to game basis. Holden wasn't brought in to be a 7th D, I fully believe unless he has a disastrous camp Skjei is making it, and I can't see McIlrath sitting again especially since he has to meet the games played criteria to not become a UFA.
Because Klein is this team's best RD by a country mile. Better be a big upgrade.
And Im not even mentioning how you just sort of threw Nash into the package.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Retooling isn't always about upgrading though. If you trade Klein for another RD, it's because that RD is a different kind of player. Probably more of a puckmover.
Beacon
Embrace the tank
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No, it's because that RD is 6-8 years younger. If you weren't born in the 1990s, you shouldn't be moving to New York.
SA16
Sixstring
I would not trade Klein for a PMD. Klein already provides elite even strength production for a defenseman. The only reason he doesn't put up point totals like some other defenseman is because he's not used on the powerplay (whether or not he'd be good on it we have no idea since he's never put in that role). And Klein + Nash? Absolutely not. For the last 5 years Klein is 19th in points/60 among defenseman and 23rd in points. For the last 2 years he is 8th in points/60 and 21st in points.
I would trade him for someone similar or younger for sure but I wouldn't just trade him for an already established player with a contract just for the sake of getting a PMD. Chances are that new defenseman would actually provide less offense than Klein does. If you're talking someone like Tyson Barrie who is young and already has a long term contract at a reasonable rate sure but certainly not someone like Shattenkirk who is an upcoming UFA who will command a lot more money.
I would trade him for someone similar or younger for sure but I wouldn't just trade him for an already established player with a contract just for the sake of getting a PMD. Chances are that new defenseman would actually provide less offense than Klein does. If you're talking someone like Tyson Barrie who is young and already has a long term contract at a reasonable rate sure but certainly not someone like Shattenkirk who is an upcoming UFA who will command a lot more money.
Wait... what?
On a more serious note, I am loving this offseason more than any since... jeez, I don't know when. And the crazy thing is, it can get better. Gorton's first true season in control has been brilliant - so far. Keep it up!
Just poking fun at the people who insisted the off-season was a total failure as of July 1st.
Yeah I actually like Klein in general and wouldn't trade him without a much younger and high upside guy coming back, but that's ultimately kind of the point...he's got a couple of years left on his contract and is 31. If you can move him in the next year or two for a young puck mover then you definitely have to think hard about the right deal. He's not really a guy I think the Rangers should be extending another contract to at the age of 33
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
He's also a risk to be plucked in the expansion draft. They shouldn't be moving him for someone like a Shattenkirk, but they should DEFINITELY be trying to move him for younger, higher upside guys and/or picks.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
I was born in the 70's it's not ok to move back to NY like I am planning and I have to stay in Florida?
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Lots of good moves to discuss this offseason but my personal favorites are the Jooris and Pirri signings, and the Holden trade. Especially the Jooris one. Total moneypuck signings with lots of red flags to the untrained eye. Not one questionable signing or trade. I wonder if things actually will be different under Gorton. He's got me listening, that's for sure.
vipernsx
Flatus Expeller
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I'm waiting for the World Cup and a Shipachev signing afterwards. If he does that, the dude walks on water.
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Ranks top 40 amongst forwards in past 2 years in goal rates and shot rates. Decent possession stats while getting strange defensive usage while in Florida. Strong, volume shooter in all situations and doesn't need a lot of space to pull one off. I think he's an underutilized 2nd liner with some brutal flaws (most namely, his skating) but nothing that can't be sheltered off.
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