Player Discussion Cody Ceci | Part III

[Xspyrit]

So what's his next contract looking like? Im saying his camp will be looking for something around 8x$5M.

That would be a solid contract. Buy the rest of his RFA years so it gets the AAV down a bit. Maybe 8 x 4.5 because of it. Do the same with Mark Stone. IMO, Stone and Ceci are 2 players you identify in your core.

 

[topshelf15]

I think we give him some term to lower the average,say 6 years at 4.3.The kid is solid 2nd pairing defender,that still has some room to grow

 

[Uchiha]

Signing him long term would be a mistake. Trade him for some assets to acquire a forward and slide Chabot in.

 

[Boud]

Signing him long term would be a mistake. Trade him for some assets to acquire a forward and slide Chabot in.

I agree, that's the logical choice IMO.
You want to re-sign Stone and Karlsson and then Duchene, something's gotta give.

I think we could get something really good for Ceci then you slide in Chabot. We could even keep Ceci for next season, when Chabot is 100% ready then you make a move.

 

[Micklebot]

Signing him long term would be a mistake. Trade him for some assets to acquire a forward and slide Chabot in.

Top 4 Dmen seem pretty easy to move for a good return. I don't see any issues with signing him long term at a reasonable price. Move him when we need to and have guys to fill in. I'd attempt to move Phaneuf long before Ceci; He'll have 2 years left at 6.5 and 5.5 when Karlsson need to be re-signed. Retaining 25% (making him a 5.75 cap hit) would make him a pretty movable asset while only costing us 1.625 and 1.375. Alternatively, we could add (or remove from our return) assets to unload him instead of retaining salary.

In the end though, it all comes down to what kind of return we could get for Ceci, how much it will cost to re-sign him, and how our current crop of prospects are looking. Too many variables to definitively say what the right choice is atm.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm 100% against trading Ceci, big strong Dman who can skate and defended and play 20+ hard minutes are the rarest commidity in the NHL. More rare then a starting goalie now.

Having a solid top 4 is what sets teams apart from teams that struggle and are inconsistent. Ceci and EK should be our RD for the next 7 years. That would be a huge win for the franchise.

We may be able to trade Ceci for a lot, but a lot is worth nothing if your team isn't winning. Ceci is one of those team players who you don't realize how good he was until he's gone and how much he did until you see rookies and lesser players do it.

We went through the growing pains with Ceci, not let's enjoy his play, not trade him so we start the search all over again.

 

[God Says No]

No long term contract please. Also, he better be under 5M. He doesn't score enough to be considered above 5M.

 

[Baby Ryan]

Feel like he hasn't really grown or shown anything positively different on a consistent basis.

With that being said, not a bad thing at all. He is fine right behind Karlsson in the Top-4. Just keep him.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

His progression seems flat. I wouldn't commit long term to him at all.

 

[Benjamin]

Ceci is a low-end #4 thats prone to many big mistakes. Thats not a core player or a player that gets a long term contract. He's shown little improvement in the last 3 years. He's currently at exactly 300 games played.

Id' have no problem trading him in the off season, depending on how Chabot looks. Trade him before other teams start to realize.

I was really hoping last season was a significant learning experience to launch from but it appears he's still the exact same player. I dont see that changing at this point.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

As expected, he has improved a good deal.

He is going to be an obelisk on defence once he gets to 26-27 years old.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Ceci is a low-end #4 thats prone to many big mistakes. Thats not a core player or a player that gets a long term contract. He's shown little improvement in the last 3 years. He's currently at exactly 300 games played.

Id' have no problem trading him in the off season, depending on how Chabot looks. Trade him before other teams start to realize.

I was really hoping last season was a significant learning experience to launch from but it appears he's still the exact same player. I dont see that changing at this point.

It's really odd how some can see him being a solid top 4 defenceman.

 

[Micklebot]

It's really odd how some can see him being a solid top 4 defenceman.

Not that it's by any means the be all and end all of player evaluation, but Boucher sure seems to see him as a solid top 4 Dman. Whether they are right or wrong, is it really that odd that some agree with what a pretty successful NHL coach seems to think?

 

[Sun God Nika]

Chabot at RD is not going to work. Trading ceci and not getting a natural top 4 right handed d back will set the team back.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Not that it's by any means the be all and end all of player evaluation, but Boucher sure seems to see him as a solid top 4 Dman. Whether they are right or wrong, is it really that odd that some agree with what a pretty successful NHL coach seems to think?

Boucher also seems to think Oduya is capable of playing top pairing minutes

I don't think we have much options for Ceci's spot so he is there by default but it doesn't necessarily mean he is a true top 4 calibre defenceman. Would've liked to see some progression from him after 3 years in the league. He started out the season playing well but has reverted to his former self.

I think people are getting accustomed to him being there just like they were with Methot on the top pairing.

 

[Viletho]

Boucher also seems to think Oduya is capable of playing top pairing minutes

I don't think we have much options for Ceci's spot so he is there by default but it doesn't necessarily mean he is a true top 4 calibre defenceman. Would've liked to see some progression from him after 3 years in the league. He started out the season playing well but has reverted to his former self.

I think people are getting accustomed to him being there just like they were with Methot on the top pairing.

Progression in which area? Saying progression is quite large without specification

Ceci as progress a lot without the puck since last year. He is way more in the face of the opposition. His stick is more active. He use his body more to pinned player on the board, which he looked shy to do last year. That's the progression i'm looking for, for a player who is now staple as a defensive dman for this team.

Edit: I would like him to be better with the puck, but i still feel it's not as bad as last year. So that's another progression, to me.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Chabot at RD is not going to work. Trading ceci and not getting a natural top 4 right handed d back will set the team back.

If chabot is not gonna work at RD and Boucher doesn't think he will we should trade him for a bluechip young winger. Because Boucher will never have him on his left.

 

[BonkTastic]

If chabot is not gonna work at RD and Boucher doesn't think he will we should trade him for a bluechip young winger. Because Boucher will never have him on his left.

I think it's a little soon to be talking in absolutes.

 

[starling]

Chabot's playing on the left side in Belleville, so I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[Benjamin]

If chabot is not gonna work at RD and Boucher doesn't think he will we should trade him for a bluechip young winger. Because Boucher will never have him on his left.

More likely he doesn't want a rookie coming out of the Q to play in a role that involves constant high risk pinching.

Thats just asking for Chabot to mess up.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

More likely he doesn't want a rookie coming out of the Q to play in a role that involves constant high risk pinching.

Thats just asking for Chabot to mess up.

Right. And then life goes on. GUYS ARe gonna make mistakes. Ceci is constantly making mistakes. Karlsson set a franchise record for minus just a couple weeks ago.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think it's a little soon to be talking in absolutes.

Personally. I don't mind him on the left. Why can't he use his speed to step up? But Boucher wants the ogres on the left.

 

[starling]

Personally. I don't mind him on the left. Why can't he use his speed to step up? But Boucher wants the ogres on the left.

Oduya doesn't really strike you as an ogre and yet we signed him specifically for that LD job.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Oduya doesn't really strike you as an ogre and yet we signed him specifically for that LD job.

And have resorted to trying him on the right past few games.

That's another guy making mistakes and it's cool.

 

[JD1]

Ceci is a low-end #4 thats prone to many big mistakes. Thats not a core player or a player that gets a long term contract. He's shown little improvement in the last 3 years. He's currently at exactly 300 games played.

Id' have no problem trading him in the off season, depending on how Chabot looks. Trade him before other teams start to realize.

I was really hoping last season was a significant learning experience to launch from but it appears he's still the exact same player. I dont see that changing at this point.

Trade him before other teams start to realize what exactly?