I certainly haven't seen all the defensman in the league, but Ceci has to be one of the most overrated d-man/players in the NHL. I have to think, his 1st round selection in the draft has shadowed him and influenced his perceived value.
He is a brutally mechanical skater, pivots poorly, often looks indecisive, rarely uses his size and is horrendously inefficient at exiting the zone. Even in last night's game he had all the time in the world to flip the puck to center ice and decided, for no reason whatsoever, to ice the puck. Even though Phaneuf is slower he is actually much more fluid and efficient in moving the puck when compared to Ceci.
Another example of Lazar Syndrome overvaluation based on draft selection.
Great game by Ceci last night. Played over 28 minutes and looked like a top pairing guy.
You believe whatever makes you feel better. You have a lot of company in that department.Hmmm, who should I believe?
Unless you're one of the top, elite defenders in the NHL, you will look bad against the top, elite forwards in the NHL. And even those guys get burned. Ceci has been good and getting better.
You focus on the negative, that's all you ever see. Basically, picking apart the other teams goal highlight package to figure out who to blame will always prove you right.
He was inserted as a top four dman because we didn't have any other options, which sucks for him. Doesn't mean he's been playing at that level since 19 or 20.To all the Ceci haters. He's ****ing 23, and been a top 4 d-man since 19. Furthermore, d-men take longer to develop. Especially their offensive games.
See: Keith,Hedman, Giordano, Brodie,Josi, etc etc
The hate for Ceci is one of the weirdest things ive witnessed
Cecil has to be thinking " I'm worth more then Matheson"
He was inserted as a top four dman because we didn't have any other options, which sucks for him. Doesn't mean he's been playing at that level since 19 or 20.
He was inserted as a top four dman because we didn't have any other options, which sucks for him. Doesn't mean he's been playing at that level since 19 or 20.
I certainly haven't seen all the defensman in the league, but Ceci has to be one of the most overrated d-man/players in the NHL. I have to think, his 1st round selection in the draft has shadowed him and influenced his perceived value.
He is a brutally mechanical skater, pivots poorly, often looks indecisive, rarely uses his size and is horrendously inefficient at exiting the zone. Even in last night's game he had all the time in the world to flip the puck to center ice and decided, for no reason whatsoever, to ice the puck. Even though Phaneuf is slower he is actually much more fluid and efficient in moving the puck when compared to Ceci.
Another example of Lazar Syndrome overvaluation based on draft selection.
I certainly haven't seen all the defensman in the league, but Ceci has to be one of the most overrated d-man/players in the NHL. I have to think, his 1st round selection in the draft has shadowed him and influenced his perceived value.
He is a brutally mechanical skater, pivots poorly, often looks indecisive, rarely uses his size and is horrendously inefficient at exiting the zone. Even in last night's game he had all the time in the world to flip the puck to center ice and decided, for no reason whatsoever, to ice the puck. Even though Phaneuf is slower he is actually much more fluid and efficient in moving the puck when compared to Ceci.
Another example of Lazar Syndrome overvaluation based on draft selection.
In the first paragraph. You say "if ceci is as bad as you say he shouldn't get money"id love to see your evaluations of Mark Stone's skating and Kyle Turris play along the boards - can of enlighten us?
If Ceci is as bad as you say he is he'd be lucky to get Boro money. Heck, he should be happy with Wideman money. You know what, I'm surprised he's even in the NHL.
For his draft year, Ceci is #6 in games played, #13 in points and #11 in assists. If you want to compare him to Lazar, he's played 105 more games (288 vs 183), has 36 more points the Lazar (76 vs 40) has 11 more goals then Lazar (22 vs 11)
BUT my favourite stat is Ceci has 25 playoff games and Lazar has 7, because Ceci is a massive contributor to team success, and a reason we have such a solid team 1-20.
And Ceci gets better every game.
In the first paragraph. You say "if ceci is as bad as you say he shouldn't get money"
But in the last paragraph you say he gets better every game.
Well he will play 82 games this season barring injury. I think at the rate of development that you imply. We may not be able to afford him.
Matheson also went 8 years though after very little NHL experience. We probably could have gotten Ceci at a similar AAV if we went 8 years on his previous deal instead of 2. Although, that's not a big advantage for the Senators as a budget team so they presumably don't care about the cap hit and only the salary. So it's plausible that even if Ceci has a 5M-6M AAV on his next deal, we might still be paying him similar money to what we would have paid on years 3-8 of a long term deal had we signed one coming off of his ELC.
And thats a probleem with him. He is not stay at home defenseman and will never be. You cant effectively pair him with King Karl or Chabot. So he is third pairing guy for us going forward. You are not paying that money for third pairing D. He is decent D, i`d say above average, but soon enough he dont have place on this team.He might want $4.5 per season and he might be entitled to it in arbitration. He's certainly due for a raise. So he won't be cheaper, my guess is he gets an average of $3.8 million long term on a 4-5 year deal.
And thats a probleem with him. He is not stay at home defenseman and will never be. You cant effectively pair him with King Karl or Chabot. So he is third pairing guy for us going forward. You are not paying that money for third pairing D. He is decent D, i`d say above average, but soon enough he dont have place on this team.