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Bergevin: Not every move he makes is bad.
This defence is funnier than last year.
This defence is funnier than last year.
I don’t see what people saw in Beaulieu. I think the risk in his game always out weighed the reward by a large margin. A guy like Emelin could’ve been replaced for much cheaper then throwing a bunch of money at a UFA like Alzner. Throwing up a pick or lesser prospect for a cheaper player would’ve been a lot better then having Alzner on the payroll at that price for the next 5 years.
The 3 year deal on Galchenyuk was simple, the only way his cap and salary made to Chucky and his agent is if took him to UFA quicker. We saw this with Kucherov the year prior.
As for the bolded, I never once said Bergevin wasn’t working on a deal. I said he was lowballing and destroyed it. We were going to have to pay to keep Radulov as we were in no position to let him go given how tough goals were to come by. We lowballed until the final hour when a team who offered more had done everything but sign the official documents. And we may have matched the contract last minute, but when you add taxes and quality of linemates, it still doesn’t compare. Just pay the guy the extra $1 million to stay instead of throwing money down the drain on guys like Hemsky and Streit. I can understand if we felt after extending Radulov, that we just wouldn’t have enough room to keep Markov, but with Radulov gone, there was no excuse either. I’m not sure how you can defend this.
Do you not understand how strong this claim is and how you have 0 evidence for it? For example, Radulov might have been signed for a 2 year deal like he initially wanted and Bergevin refused . Or he might have been given a larger offer before the trade deadline opened, without being given a ''take it or leave it'' ultimatum in the media.
It's in the process of not working out for us. The move was defensible from the standpoint that he was going to add Drouin to our team and make a run for it while our core isn't making Oprah money. None of that happened, though. Now you're simultaneously trying to argue in several different places that tanking was Bergevin's brilliant plan all along (not 2 months after you argued that we were a top 10 team), and that trading our best prospect made sense.
Like...what?
I didn't link Radulov to our prospect pool. I linked losing Sergachev to our prospect pool. That was the single largest deletion from our talent pool since McDonagh for Gomez.
Markov signed fair deals all his career here. Why did all of a sudden he would be a greedy sob?
BS. People here are hoping for a rebuild.. We can be patient if we trust the guy in charge.Patienct pays off but you have to be willing to wait in order to be patient. Something where a huge % of our fan base is not prepared to do.
We could and MB chose not to. That's Where you're wrong.
BS. People here are hoping for a rebuild.. We can be patient if we trust the guy in charge.
Bergevin wasn't just low-balling. He also hard-balling, drop-balling, and kicking-yourself-in-the-balling. He created his own perfect storm by making Radulov a UFA with that narrow minded one year contract.
And before anyone says it's smart to hedge bets, let me remind you of the contracts given to far lesser players, Shaw, Plekanec, Alzner... et al.
From the start of the pitifully short Radulov era, Bergevin miscalculated everything possible. Forcing free agency after a single season, thinking a player playing to up his value would sign mid-season, negotiating with Arsenic rather than honey as a strategy, and assuming he wouldn't have to compete with other teams.
For us, it's easy to look at things in retrospect, but an NHL GM hasn't got that advantage. An NHL GM must valuate players correctly, and proactively take the steps to sign highly valuable players, especially when no assets need be spent in the process. It was a debacle from the get go and the team is worse for it.
It's staggering that so many here are making excuses for a long series of missteps by Bergevin that were bizarre, short sighted and self defeating from the beginning.
Markov is better offensivly AND on defense vs Alzner.. Anyway you said it was unfair to Alzner to compare him to Markov..Heck, Alzner can provide a solid defense game at a fraction of the cost and can last a 82 game schedule too!
1) Stars > Habs. Wake up! Radulov choose a better overall option and I don't blame him for that. What I blame Bergevin for is not signing Radulov to a 3 year deal from the beginning. That would of be a better angle to criticize him on IMO.
2) Subban (team he played for made the cup finals) > Weber (team he played for lost in the 1st round) ==== Sergachev (team he plays for is 2nd at the moment) > Drouin (team he plays for is 27th at the moment). This was a solid trade for the Habs but because Drouin is struggling on a team that is struggling, you want to say what? Drouin is not equal to Sergachev? Come on man!
3) I said that we WERE a consistent top 10 team due to being one of the best defense teams (Those were not opinions.. they were facts). I underestimated how bad of a season Price and our D would have to start the year. Silly me for not predicting Price would not be the guy we know he has been. I have no problem admitting I was wrong... and I was wrong about our D! You need to learn to from me and admit where you were wrong too Will you? Doubt it
There is no brilliant plan. There is only circumstance. Look at Sakic, his "brilliant" plan only worked because the Preds were able to come into the picture and sign Turris. Patienct pays off but you have to be willing to wait in order to be patient. Something where a huge % of our fan base is not prepared to do.
Markov is better offensivly AND on defense vs Alzner.. Anyway you said it was unfair to Alzner to compare him to Markov..
Also, 1y/5M is fine but 1y/6-7M is a no go? Wth... We have 8+ on the freaking cap
Your 2 first "reasons" are pure comedy. It's 100% on Bergevin.We could not.
- We don't have anyone as good as Seguin and Benn
- We don't have a team that is as good as the Stars
- We have a city that has significant higher taxes vs Dallas
- Weather is warmer in Dallas.
I showed you 4 reason why. Where are yours? I guess you think if we gave him $7M+ for 5 years, he would of signed with us for sure right eh? Because of this, it's our GM's fault. I see no explanation other than this and it's yet another BS reason to blame our GM.
We can't rely on Markov? We did for 10+ years...Markov is not better offensively when you consider when we need his offense. If he was, he would of had more than 3pts in his last 18 playoff games. Heck, we can't even rely on Markov for 82 games (plus playoffs) because we are worried about his age.
1.) Who the ****'s fault is it that Stars > Habs? Nill has done more with Dallas in terms of player acquisition in less time than Bergevin. What argument do you think you're making here?
2.) I have been criticizing Bergevin for flat out refusing to sign Radulov to a 2 year contract for some time now. I don't know where you've been.
If you're going to tank ----> keep your elite prospects.
If you're going to go for it ----> it makes sense to trade them for more immediate help.
It's just that in this particular case Bergevin is trying to tank by trading a prospect who could immediately be better than the player he traded for. Worst of both worlds.
I challenge you to show me where I'm wrong. And no, saying ''open your eyes'' doesn't count, believe it or not.
How's your ''year by year'' evaluation of Bergevin going? Seen enough that you want to see more? lol.
We can't rely on Markov? We did for 10+ years...
He was a known commodity at least.Past does not equal the future
Your 2 first "reasons" are pure comedy. It's 100% on Bergevin.
The Last 2 are sketchy to say the least.. Radulov played in the KHL for years.. He even left Nashville for Russia.. I would think weather is not a good argument.
Same for taxes. Radulov has many ways to save on those 41 games a year he pays taxes here.
He was a known commodity at least.
What is comedy is that BERGEVIN is the GM of this team. He's the one who need to make it better. If Nill did a better job than Bergevin in 4 years to the point Where he can steal a player from us because they are "better" then you know all you need to know about MB job as habs GMNot comedy. It's facts. Go read what Radulov said. Seguin and Benn are two pretty significant talents and all talents like Radulov want to play with talents like Seguin and Benn instead of Danault and Patch. How you see this as comedy is comedy in itself!
Markov was on a 47 points pace last year. Wich one of our D will have this pace or better this year?3 pts in 18 playoff games dating back to when he was age 36 or 37? Sorry, it's been a while since Markov was a 50pts defenseman. I miss him but I don't miss him on a huge contract and where he can't play a 82 NHL game season with the risk of burning him out.
What is comedy is that BERGEVIN is the GM of this team. He's the one who need to make it better. If Nill did a better job than Bergevin in 4 years to the point Where he can steal a player from us because they are "better" then you know all you need to know about MB job as habs GM
Markov was on a 47 points pace last year. Wich one of our D will have this pace or better this year?
Shouldn't we know by now?Well, hold on. We are going to find out very soon what we are going to do this year.
Shouldn't we know by now?
Year six with the same GM, the plan should be pretty obvious to where this team is heading, don't you think?
Are we buying or selling? Going for the cup or going for a rebuild?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Keep Chucky on the wing and preferably the third or fourth line.
Keep pushing Drouin at center.
Habs' have a natural wing playing center and a natural center playing wing. Maybe that redefines insanity. IDK