Player Discussion Carey Price - The Price Is Right? *Mod warning post 1284*
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habsgirl5000
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cause he peaked in 2015.....i wouldnt even consider him top 5 today, and he isn't going to improve
DAChampion
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And was also supported by two versatile #1 dmen.
That might not ever happen again either.
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I dont think he gets those numbers again and it will only get worst from now on.
Its going to be a long painful road to a rebuild.
October 1, 2013 the Leafs sign Phil Kessel to an 8 years $64 million contract.
December 31, 2013 the Leafs sign Dion Phaneuf to a 7 year $49 million contract.
New management, Brendan Shanahan et al., arrives April 11, 2014.
Phil Kessel traded July 1, 2015 (Leafs retain $1.2 million/year).
Dion Phaneuf traded February 9th, 2016.
I include the Leafs history above as an example of bad contracts that were signed that they were able to get out from under and move on from relatively quickly.
The Price contract I see as similar to the Kessel deal., a good player being overpaid for what he can bring to the team in a cap league.
I think that when the new GM arrives in Montreal (this Summer?) he should trade Price to a team that has goalie issues like Winnipeg or Calgary or to Vancouver, where Price is from, for as good a deal as he can get and then start the rebuild. He shouldn't wait long in case Price's on ice performance drops and the contract will be that much harder to move.
December 31, 2013 the Leafs sign Dion Phaneuf to a 7 year $49 million contract.
New management, Brendan Shanahan et al., arrives April 11, 2014.
Phil Kessel traded July 1, 2015 (Leafs retain $1.2 million/year).
Dion Phaneuf traded February 9th, 2016.
I include the Leafs history above as an example of bad contracts that were signed that they were able to get out from under and move on from relatively quickly.
The Price contract I see as similar to the Kessel deal., a good player being overpaid for what he can bring to the team in a cap league.
I think that when the new GM arrives in Montreal (this Summer?) he should trade Price to a team that has goalie issues like Winnipeg or Calgary or to Vancouver, where Price is from, for as good a deal as he can get and then start the rebuild. He shouldn't wait long in case Price's on ice performance drops and the contract will be that much harder to move.
I often think of the Leafs and their two disaster contracts being their rock bottom moment. Can we get a visionary GM in to clean house like Shanny/Lou did? Perhaps one of but not both of Price or Weber could be around to see the rebuild.
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If we suck hard this year, we can openly hope we clean house and we get an actual rebuild going so it’s not as long. But if it’s a retool they want to do, it will be a lot more painful.
You realize that price is basically untradable.
Teams aren't taking on an additional goalie...so, Haps would need to take Anderson back.
We don't have cap space for a $10m goalie, no one does, so MTL has to retain salary....taking a a goalie back, might swell just keep price...you'd need to pay $3m of his salary anyways.
No one will pay for the privilege of putting them selves in cap hell for 8 years over a goalie.
Even if someone would take Price...what's the return?.
Player value isn't just based on the player anymore..it's based on their contract too.
We painted ourselves in the corner with his contract. Take Andersen back if needed to... get the young guns. When we traded Halak its because his value was high at the time although everybody was screaming
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If we suck this year, a true rebuild would be with Price gone.
Please lets forget about the Roy narrative. That horse was murdered when Subban got traded.
DAChampion
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Price can be traded if some of the salary is retained.
For example, if the Habs retain 4 million/year they might be able to get a 1st round draft pick for Price.
Which....would make no sense as we would be essentially paying a guy like Mike Condon 6.5M/yr to play goal or a guy like Andersen 9M a year.
Price'll be fine for the rebuild. As long as he's not that interested, or the baby is keeping him up at night, or if he wants to get someone fired we'll be getting tank worthy goaltending.
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DAChampion
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No, Price would be catastrophic to a rebuild. He won't play .885 forever, The Habs need to draft top-3 not top-10.
When the Leafs traded Kessel (including salary retained which you think "makes no sense"), they ended up drafting Auston Matthews rather than Mikhail Sergachev ... which do you think is better?
habsgirl5000
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leafs dont need or want price, andersen is fine, and just as good at half the cost, they just need a dman
habsgirl5000
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Retaining a bit is fine. 1.5 for 7byears beats 4M for 8, come on...I think we're stuck with him more than any other player in the league.
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I'm wondering how these deals given to players going past their primes is going to affect the NHL going forward.
As advanced stats get more popular and players come in more prepared, with mature games at 19 and better physical fitness, you'll have to think some managers will start to realize there's a natural decline starting in the late 20s/early 30s. The markets skewed towards those UFAs though and you end up paying a premium on a player who can't reach his previous levels on a consistent basis. The trend, and rightfully so, seems to be moving towards paying for prime years.
We've seen holes in Prices game the last two years, holes that didn't show up for 4-5 years before. If your player needs to be insulated, he's not a 10M$ player - and I say this believing Price is a generational talent at his position.
That's disregarding the fact MB put himself in a position where Price had to be paid.
As advanced stats get more popular and players come in more prepared, with mature games at 19 and better physical fitness, you'll have to think some managers will start to realize there's a natural decline starting in the late 20s/early 30s. The markets skewed towards those UFAs though and you end up paying a premium on a player who can't reach his previous levels on a consistent basis. The trend, and rightfully so, seems to be moving towards paying for prime years.
We've seen holes in Prices game the last two years, holes that didn't show up for 4-5 years before. If your player needs to be insulated, he's not a 10M$ player - and I say this believing Price is a generational talent at his position.
That's disregarding the fact MB put himself in a position where Price had to be paid.
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habsgirl5000
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yeah but how many of those 11 had already won a vezina in their 20's ??????
SOME goalies peak later....price is not one of them.....his peak was 2015
Andrei79
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The best goaltender ever started his peak the same age Price did, won his first vezina the same age as well - and posted similar stats.
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