Yes, super poor asset management. As i said before, i hope other teams start to throw out offersheets on players that would make the other team hurt if matched or screw it up by leading the contract straight to UFA etc. This way it would add pressure on teams to sign these RFA:s before july 1st.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Jesperi Kotkaniemi signs offersheet with the Hurricanes (1 year, $6.100035M) [Part V]
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Roboturner913
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Well if you think about it, Bergevin giving Aho the contract more than helped Carolina in having Aho affordable for many years to come. It was a blessing in disguise. And most owners do not take things personally. But Dondon is from a new breed of owners and he did. His response more than anything is what make things dangerous for years to come for the NHL. Before this, revenge was never on the table, it was business as usual with the exception of two or three times. It was a gentlemen game. For example I don't remembe Nashville taking revenge on the Flyers for them giving Weber an offer sheet. In fact Poile continued doing business with the Flyers like nothing had happened. Hell Logically, giving Aho 8 is pretty sound. Giving KK 6 is not. All the Canes had to do was put 3 million more and keep Hamilton. Now they may get KK but he's got three centers ahead of him.
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Dundon took it personally because Montreal made it personal. They attacked him as being cheap/broke and vulnerable. Almost any owner would have taken it personal.
It still blows my mind how they couldn't comprehend that a literal billionaire could easily break off a $20 million signing bonus. That's like a distinct misunderstanding of math.
To count to 1 million (1 number per second) it would take you 11 days. To count to 1 billion it would take you 30 YEARS. Somehow they failed to understand this difference.
It still blows my mind how they couldn't comprehend that a literal billionaire could easily break off a $20 million signing bonus. That's like a distinct misunderstanding of math.
To count to 1 million (1 number per second) it would take you 11 days. To count to 1 billion it would take you 30 YEARS. Somehow they failed to understand this difference.
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This isn't great for either side, but in totality Bergevin looks bad.
He did Waddell a favour w/ Aho then got bent over here.
Kotkaniemi isn't worth this money but his absence creates a big hole for MTL. Its probably worth giving him up for a 1st & 3rd, but can they replace him? They don't want to take a step back.
For Carolina its a steep price to pay. I doubt they're doing this if it wasn't for the Aho offersheet.
He did Waddell a favour w/ Aho then got bent over here.
Kotkaniemi isn't worth this money but his absence creates a big hole for MTL. Its probably worth giving him up for a 1st & 3rd, but can they replace him? They don't want to take a step back.
For Carolina its a steep price to pay. I doubt they're doing this if it wasn't for the Aho offersheet.
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I'm not in his shoes but it seems unlikely he would offer a friendly deal to either team.
For me, it's the combination of the lack of roots, both markets not being particularly attractive destinations for NHLers, as well as his age and family situation.
He's a young guy, single, no kids in school. The home is what ties a lot of NHLers. But the young guys, they basically live in their suitcases and aren't afraid to move. Hockey-wise, the Canadiens are not in good shape. It's not a top-tier destination. Top paid player is locked for many years and was passed by the Kraken in the expansion draft. Other key player and team captain is near retirement. There's not much to look forward to. I don't know how Kotkaniemi and the people who counsel him see this... but I feel Kotkaniemi could have better opportunities.
Of course, it's not like you 100% pick and choose where you play as a UFA but he'll want to see who is interested. Tax-wise too, there will be better destinations.
As for the Hurricanes... it seems way too soon to me. You don't get married after the first date. He'll want to see how he likes it there... and by the time he begins figuring it out, it will already be free agency. I personally wouldn't do it. The closer you are to that UFA status, the more you want to test the waters.
This is the perfect contract for this guy. How many players drafted 3rd overall get to be UFA at 22? Or he will get a really handsome QO. Kotkaniemi is set, thanks to the Hurricanes. Now, we just have to know who is going to pay the bill! :p
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Why? So Carolina can easily match, then turn around and offer sheet Suzuki?
Bergevin would be wise to wave the white flag and seek out another way to acquire young talent. Improving his scouting department and player development would be a good way to start.
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So the Hurricanes are risking being on the hook with that horrible albatross offer sheet because Bergevin did them a favor?
Yeah, that makes total sense!
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It was a favor in terms of money per year; not a favor in terms of years. The Canes wanted Aho on an 8 year deal, he wanted a 5 year. So he went out and found one.
The offer sheet cost the Canes three years of control, that's the only thing they have to be sore about.
The offer sheet cost the Canes three years of control, that's the only thing they have to be sore about.
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Because they have an owner that wants to be a big name & takes this kind of thing personally/as an insult. Not that hard to figure out.
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Lol it'll backfire again
Habs RFAs are JK, Suzuki, Lehkonen, etc next summer
Waddell probably already anticipated that
Original offer sheet to Aho was a serious hit at the Hurricanes brand and Dundon, since I bet I'm not the only one thinking "It's a really smart move by Montreal, if they know Dundon is so poor he can't pay the frontloaded contract". They paid the contract, but the idea that Dundon and Hurricanes had limited resources stayed up in discussion. It could have had an effect on their sponsor deals, player signing and god knows what.
This was a perfect way to fix the damage done to the brand and personal credibility of Dundon. The 20$ signing bonus has such a brutal symbolic meaning in the current situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the Canes front office would still be on it, trying to increase the effects by for example trying to outbid the Habs on Dvorak.
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A 6m cap hit and unprotected first in a stacked draft for KK. Canes certainly paying full blown retail on KK
Habs haven't received a single positive thing yet, all that has happened so far is that Canes and Habs have had tons of media attention which is looks primarily benefit the Canes and hurt the Habs.
The franchise value of Canes was 440M in 2020 according to google. If you can get significant increase to it with this, an single 6M$ contract is pissing money.
edit: I'm not just saying it will increase franchise value, I'm claiming it will skyrocket it.
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As much as Covid impacted every player, I would respectfully submit that it wasn't the preponderant factor in how the player has performed to date. He should have never been rushed to the NHL as he was, would have been much better off pursuing his development in Finland. Habs exacerbated their mistake by the way they chose to deploy him. He was put in a position to fail.
The rest probably has to do with whatever his ceiling is once he's developed and perhaps Carolina have made a different assessment than the Habs about what the player can be. A change of scenery is the best outcome at this point and the player has certainly made a clear case for that by signing the OS.
The Habs need to match this, don't they? It's only one year, he was the third overall pick and has shown a lot of promise, you're gonna lose him for futures cause you can't move some money around for one year? Probably not very good futures either!
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So hes lonely and underachieving because he doesn't play with good enough fellow Fins. Makes sense.
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It all depends on if they can land Dvorak or someone similar (if there is anyone on the market, I guess Strome from NYR). They can't start the season without Kotkaniemi with their current center depth.
the habs dont need to do anything,
he is a disgruntled player who is not happy in montreal,
i wouldnt want him back
Lets all understand THIS KK has NOT proven anything yet, everybody is assuming KK will become a great player and the canes are stealing him from MB. The habs have seen KK play for 3 years, yes he still MIGHT pan out but he has NOT progressed in 2 years. Stop assuming KK is a 40 goal 1st center already, HE IS NOT. It will take 3 years to see exactly just who won this theft. All I can tell you is RIGHT NOW all MB has to do is find a center that beats 5 goals in 56 games for less then 6 mil. Might trade, might just sign a big swede from europe and keep the 2 picks, lets just see what MB has up his sleve tomorrow.
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I'm not that high on KK. He has many holes in his game. He had like 5 goals and 20 points. Not strong on the puck. Couldn't win a faceoff to save his soul. Ducharme benched him last 2 playoff games. Best 2 games we played.
Caphit of 6 million and a first in a good draft is crazy over payment.
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You keep mentioning the big bad contract as if there isn't already an extension at a lower rate that brings the entire value (including offer sheet) to around $4m AAV, and that's coming from Montreal insiders.
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