Confirmed Trade: [CAR/EDM] Jesse Puljujarvi for Patrik Puistola

[centipede2233]

As posted a few pages ago:

“It's pretty certain that they committed to this move after their list of targets had already been exhausted.

- We knew weeks ahead of time that Kane was forcing his way to NYC.
- Horvat was traded on Jan 30
- Tarasenko was traded on Feb 9
- O'Reilly was traded on Feb 17
- Niederreiter was traded on Feb 25
- Meier was traded on Feb 26 (this is the one that we know the Canes threw serious assets at)
- This trade dropped on Feb 28, the same day that Kane, Johansson, Nyqvist were traded.

After this one, the Canes moved for Gostisbehere on March 1st, two days before the actual TDL. But during that whole post-2/28 timeframe, the highest-scoring forward that got moved was Max Domi of all people. Canes simply weren't interested in moving real assets for guys that were just going to plug into bottom-6 wing spots.”

It’s easy to throw names around and say “shoulda traded for X, he wouldn’t have cost much” but there are internal realities to these deals. Detroit pulled down multiple picks including 1sts for both Hronek and Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi has 7 goals this year… Perron has 20. Connect the dots. Detroit wasn’t trading Perron for scraps, they were looking for multiple 1sts for that kind of deal. There’s a reason he didn’t get traded. Carolina management isn’t throwing multiple 1sts at anything like a 35 year old rental.

We know they were in heavy on Meier and Miller, and when those struck out they were left sitting with unused cap space and no targets worth taking seriously. At that point they checked a box to fill an immediate depth need, with longshot upside to turn into something more useful, essentially for free. Why not? There was no downside to the move at that point.

Of course I don’t expect Oilers fans to be tracking Canes roster movement at that level of granularity. But even superficially, you can look at this and clearly see that it came after the trade market had settled and they had cap space to burn.

If yzerman thinks he was getting even a 1st for 34 yr old David perron, he is delusional.

the reason Bertuzzi and hronek returned a 1st plus was because of their age…..

 

[dwonger]

Also, if he's so useless, why did the Oilers have him on the roster for over 5 different seasons? Some people sound a lot smarter in their own head.

BECAUSE THE OILERS WERE AND CURRENTLY ARE RUN LIKE SHIT. I don't think any Oilers fan would say otherwise. They took way to long to cut the cord on this water brain.

 

[dwonger]

Why is it when we acquire players, fans of the previous team spend the next [insert time period here] trashing the player and trying to convince Canes fans how bad said player is?

1. We don’t care about your opinion. We watch hockey religiously as well. We wouldnt be frequent users of this board if we didn’t. Thus, we can form our own opinions. Yours actually means less than nothing, because it could easily be tainted by any number of factors, including simply being spurned by said player.

2. If JP sucks (and he’s certainly not made a big impact, despite what RBA believes), it’s not a big deal for the Canes. He plays for a few months, hits FA and we move on. Same thing we did with Max Domi last year. Acting like this was some big loss for Carolina or some huge victory for the Oilers is just embarrassing. Give your head a shake.

3. For the love of god, let players go. Ask Vancouver fans how many Canes fans they have trashing Ethan Bear in any discussion surrounding him. I’m going to assume it’s next to none. Not because Bear was good for us (he was for a bit, then very, very wasn’t. Covid sucks), but because he’s no longer on the team. Hell, we’re still paying part of his salary and I could not care less about how he’s performing in Vancouver (though, to my understanding, he’s been serviceable there).

This is a message board. It is for chatting about hockey.

Imo Oilers fans are pissed we wasted a 4th on this waste of space. The amount of points he cost Drai and McDavid is actually criminal. The morons that run this team should have never listened to his agent in the first place who demanded he not get sent down. This player has not even taken the time to learn the language even when given a paid tutor.

Trust me, if this kid was not so happy go lucky and dumb as a rock he would have been torn apart by the fanbase for all the shit he pulled.

The Canes did not lose this trade at all, but imo they lost the deadline by not going after someone who can actually play in the NHL.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Also, if he's so useless, why did the Oilers have him on the roster for over 5 different seasons?

Because NHL teams, especially GMs, don't want look stupid by drafting a bust or trade the said player to different team and he blossoms there. They will try eveything to make it work. They do this to the point the said bust has no value left whatsoever.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

Because NHL teams, especially GMs, don't want look stupid by drafting a bust or trade the said player to different team and he blossoms there. They will try eveything to make it work. They do this to the point the said bust has no value left whatsoever.

 

[mattihp]

Because NHL teams, especially GMs, don't want look stupid by drafting a bust or trade the said player to different team and he blossoms there. They will try eveything to make it work. They do this to the point the said bust has no value left whatsoever.

This would make sense if it wasn't the Oilers, I doubt they have such concerns. How can one not win with both Draisaitl and McDavid? It takes some serious failing.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If yzerman thinks he was getting even a 1st for 34 yr old David perron, he is delusional.

the reason Bertuzzi and hronek returned a 1st plus was because of their age…..

Again, Perron was not moved. That speaks to the asking price.

 

[thefutures]

BECAUSE THE OILERS WERE AND CURRENTLY ARE RUN LIKE SHIT. I don't think any Oilers fan would say otherwise. They took way to long to cut the cord on this water brain.

That's news to me, I thought Ken Holland was liked.

 

[centipede2233]

Again, Perron was not moved. That speaks to the asking price.

34 yr old complimentary players don’t get moved at the TDL for a 1st let alone multiple 1sts, it’s not a thing

 

[tarheelhockey]

34 yr old complimentary players don’t get moved at the TDL for a 1st let alone multiple 1sts, it’s not a thing

Again -- no team bit on the asking price for Perron. Not even in a year where the blockbusters were out of the way early and everyone knew on TDL day that he was perhaps the only 20-goal scoring, Cup winning veteran available. The fact that no team went for him speaks for itself. Look at what Detroit did at the deadline and it's quite obvious what happened there.

It's easy to say "shoulda traded for X" but the reality is different. For all we know, Perron had Carolina on his NTC list and that was that.

 

[Stickpucker]

BECAUSE THE OILERS WERE AND CURRENTLY ARE RUN LIKE SHIT. I don't think any Oilers fan would say otherwise. They took way to long to cut the cord on this water brain.

If the Oilers are run like shit and constantly make bad decisions that means by default it was a bad decision to trade Poolparty

 

[dwonger]

If the Oilers are run like shit and constantly make bad decisions that means by default it was a bad decision to trade Poolparty

Absolutely. They should have put his ass in the press box and done absolutely zero favors for him instead of trading him to ghe best team possible

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

I have no idea why a nothing prospect for a cap dump has 40+ pages.

 

[ManofSteel55]

BECAUSE THE OILERS WERE AND CURRENTLY ARE RUN LIKE SHIT. I don't think any Oilers fan would say otherwise. They took way to long to cut the cord on this water brain.

Were? Yeah, okay, but are? I don't think you can say any 100 point teams are being "run like shit". That's excessive.

I have no idea why a nothing prospect for a cap dump has 40+ pages.

Amen. This post should be as locked up as Trump is.

 

[Homesick]

How has Carolinas record been with him in the line up?
I know the Oilers have went 13-2-1 with 74GF and 50GA

 

[McSuper]

We received cap space to acquire Ekholm. He’s about 500 times more impactful.

We couldn’t have done it without Carolina

Can I please see your work? I like to know how you came up with that number. Must be hate X frustration = about 500 times better because there no way to quantify this.

 

[McSuper]

BECAUSE THE OILERS WERE AND CURRENTLY ARE RUN LIKE SHIT. I don't think any Oilers fan would say otherwise. They took way to long to cut the cord on this water brain.

Whats with the name calling? I bet if you were playing you would be worse so what does that say about you? Just don't get the name calling. I am sure Elon Musk couldn't play hockey does that make him a water brain?

 

[Bruce Granville]

Every time JP gets a point this thread extends by 10 pages.

You‘d wish…he is far from 4 points.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Were? Yeah, okay, but are? I don't think you can say any 100 point teams are being "run like shit". That's excessive.


Amen. This post should be as locked up as Trump is.

Well they spent most of the season as a potential wild card team. They finish with 7 of their last 12 vs Ari, SJ, Ana.

 

[spaghtti]

Well they spent most of the season as a potential wild card team. They finish with 7 of their last 12 vs Ari, SJ, Ana.

I fail to understand your logic, so because the schedule makers gave the Oilers one of the toughest starts to the season league wide and and easier end of season the Oilers should only be graded on the start of the season?

 

[dirtydanglez]

the same people who shit on jp were probably the same ones who freaked out when the bjs went with pld instead.

 

[Macheteops]

I fail to understand your logic, so because the schedule makers gave the Oilers one of the toughest starts to the season league wide and and easier end of season the Oilers should only be graded on the start of the season?

HF logic pal. You've been around long enough to understand that I m sure

 

[ManofSteel55]

Well they spent most of the season as a potential wild card team. They finish with 7 of their last 12 vs Ari, SJ, Ana.

And they still have 99 points today and are in a dogfight for the conference lead. Guess what - everyone plays the same teams. It's not like the Oilers are playing 82 games against bottom 5 teams.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Absolutely. They should have put his ass in the press box and done absolutely zero favors for him instead of trading him to ghe best team possible

Or they should have traded h8m to anyone who would take him for cap space to make a trade to make the team better.

 

[Esko6]

Never on hfboards has so much been said about a player that does so little.

Rory Fitzpatrick, that was an embarassing time