Confirmed Trade: [CAR/EDM] Jesse Puljujarvi for Patrik Puistola

[GreeningOil]

You sure it's not the team that wasted a 4th overall pick?

Hurp durp. Of course Mr. Smart ass. The bigger loser is paying an asset for a player known to be of negative value.

We can’t change what happened 6 years ago, but Carolina could have chosen this year.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I don't think you really understand what you are saying.

4.3% with a career average closer to 9% means he's likely suffering from some bad luck. We will see if it stays low for another year or 2, hard to guage the McDrai effect.

you're assuming all of his shots are the same and equating it to "bad luck"

Jesse takes bad shots and always have...long range unscreened muffins to the goalies chest will very rarely find their way in

 

[banks]

I don't think you really understand what you are saying.

4.3% with a career average closer to 9% means he's likely suffering from some bad luck. We will see if it stays low for another year or 2, hard to guage the McDrai effect.

A low shooting percentage isn't indicative of a bad player lol. He's due for some regression to the mean. That's unsustainably low, and he's had some grade A chances that were turned away by incredible saves.

Normally you might be right, if it was an outlier compared to other seasons. But since coming back from Finland He's had a shooting % of:

20-21 EDM 13
21-22 EDM 8.8
22-23 EDM 5.7
22-23 CAR 0.0

That's 3 years of decline, with a steeper one after the trade during year 3. It's not an outlier because of puck luck. It's a measurable decline. And the fact that it's so much worse now in Carolina does suggest that it was only ever higher because of the McDrai effect. He played the most on the top lines in that 20-21 season when he got back from Finland because his numbers there were good.

A few shots stopped by incredible saves are why he's at zero in CAR. But I'm not even harping on that zero. A few more goals wouldn't really change the story. He's been bad, and he's getting worse. Even with a few more goals on the season if those saves hadn't happened.

 

[bleedgreen]

Hurp durp. Of course Mr. Smart ass. The bigger loser is paying an asset for a player known to be of negative value.

We can’t change what happened 6 years ago, but Carolina could have chosen this year.

Lol. Only an Oilers fan could compare taking the guy at 4 to us giving you a prospect we weren’t signing so we’d have bottom six depth for the playoffs. That’s impressive to even try to make the comparison, let alone believe in your heart you're on the better side of it.

 

[XXIV97]

Lol. Only an Oilers fan could compare taking the guy at 4 to us giving you a prospect we weren’t signing so we’d have bottom six depth for the playoffs. That’s impressive to even try to make the comparison, let alone believe in your heart you're on the better side of it.

some oilers fan are just crazy coming from an oilers fan

 

[Skolman]

How is this thread still going?

 

[Canes]

How is this thread still going?

Fans of Canadian teams who say their former highly drafted players suck are somehow obsessed with them for years after they're gone. That's how.

 

[tarheelhockey]

A low shooting percentage isn't indicative of a bad player lol. He's due for some regression to the mean. That's unsustainably low, and he's had some grade A chances that were turned away by incredible saves.

I would agree, but in this specific case he really has not taken a lot of dangerous shots. His level of play is around that of an AHL callup. Good guy, works hard, but he is going to have to get significantly better in order to regress to an NHL-quality mean.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I would agree, but in this specific case he really has not taken a lot of dangerous shots. His level of play is around that of an AHL callup. Good guy, works hard, but he is going to have to get significantly better in order to regress to an NHL-quality mean.

That one timer he had (I can't remember the game) was absolutely robbery of a save..

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Don't mind him, some Oiler fans absolutely inexplicably hate Puljujarvi even though he's the nicest kid ever and worked his ass off for this team.

inexplicably.

I like Pulju but its not inexplicable--hating a player as a fan is not necessarily a sane thing to do though.

In anycase you cant endear yourself to fans demanding money and asking out multiple times. He managed to endear himsefl in spite of that---likely his agent had a hand but the guy practically packed his own bags.

 

[GreeningOil]

Lol. Only an Oilers fan could compare taking the guy at 4 to us giving you a prospect we weren’t signing so we’d have bottom six depth for the playoffs. That’s impressive to even try to make the comparison, let alone believe in your heart you're on the better side of it.

There is no comparison. The Oil needed that 3m plug off the team to grab an excellent defender.

You took him for an actual asset. He is a broken. The Oilers took the big L for taking him. Yes.

You took an L for adding a player of 0 use.

Comprende?

 

[bleedgreen]

There is no comparison. The Oil needed that 3m plug off the team to grab an excellent defender.

You took him for an actual asset. He is a broken. The Oilers took the big L for taking him. Yes.

You took an L for adding a player of 0 use.

Comprende?

No. None of us do. I understand you need this. I feel for you bruh.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There is no comparison. The Oil needed that 3m plug off the team to grab an excellent defender.

You took him for an actual asset. He is a broken. The Oilers took the big L for taking him. Yes.

You took an L for adding a player of 0 use.

Comprende?

If Puljujarvi is of 0 use, what is Puistola? He's nowhere near being an NHL player, has not been qualified for a contract, and turns 23 next year. If I'm not mistaken, his rights expire in June.

So... Edmonton also traded an asset for a player of 0 use? Right?

The only thing that happened in this trade was that Edmonton got some cap space, which they needed, and the Canes got a depth winger in case someone in the top 6 got injured, which was exactly what happened. I guess a very negative person could try to assign Ls, but it makes more sense to say both teams got exactly what they wanted.

 

[GreeningOil]

If Puljujarvi is of 0 use, what is Puistola? He's nowhere near being an NHL player, has not been qualified for a contract, and turns 23 next year. If I'm not mistaken, his rights expire in June.

So... Edmonton also traded an asset for a player of 0 use? Right?

The only thing that happened in this trade was that Edmonton got some cap space, which they needed, and the Canes got a depth winger in case someone in the top 6 got injured, which was exactly what happened. I guess a very negative person could try to assign Ls, but it makes more sense to say both teams got exactly what they wanted.

We received cap space to acquire Ekholm. He’s about 500 times more impactful.

We couldn’t have done it without Carolina

 

[tarheelhockey]

We received cap space to acquire Ekholm. He’s about 500 times more impactful.

We couldn’t have done it without Carolina

Right, but how is that an L for Carolina? Edmonton getting cap space is not a negative for Carolina. It’s completely irrelevant.

 

[Chrispy]

We received cap space to acquire Ekholm. He’s about 500 times more impactful.

We couldn’t have done it without Carolina

But Edmonton absolutely could have done it without Carolina.

Might have had less of a return than Puistola, maybe even had to give up a low pick. But someone would have taken Puljujarvi for 2 months if Carolina did not.

 

[McVespa99]

Good lord people. Cap dump. Small gamble for Carolina. Good for both

 

[Whiston532]

Never on hfboards has so much been said about a player that does so little.

 

[thefutures]

Lol. Only an Oilers fan could compare taking the guy at 4 to us giving you a prospect we weren’t signing so we’d have bottom six depth for the playoffs. That’s impressive to even try to make the comparison, let alone believe in your heart you're on the better side of it.

Also, if he's so useless, why did the Oilers have him on the roster for over 5 different seasons? Some people sound a lot smarter in their own head.

 

[josra33]

Some fans Big Third Leg swinging on this thread is hilarious. Never change HF.

 

[centipede2233]

If Puljujarvi is of 0 use, what is Puistola? He's nowhere near being an NHL player, has not been qualified for a contract, and turns 23 next year. If I'm not mistaken, his rights expire in June.

So... Edmonton also traded an asset for a player of 0 use? Right?

The only thing that happened in this trade was that Edmonton got some cap space, which they needed, and the Canes got a depth winger in case someone in the top 6 got injured, which was exactly what happened. I guess a very negative person could try to assign Ls, but it makes more sense to say both teams got exactly what they wanted.

Carolina might have gotten what they wanted, but they didn’t get what they needed. Carolina had tons of cap space, tons of picks, they are a perennial top 5 nhl team in the league year in and year out, max patioretty is done for the year, and Jesse effin puljujarvi is who you go after? Go after a david Perron, he would be a hell of a lot more useful then puljujarvi and has cup experience and isn’t a lot more on the cap and wouldn’t have cost you an arm and a leg.

 

[DatDude44]

Carolina might have gotten what they wanted, but they didn’t get what they needed. Carolina had tons of cap space, tons of picks, they are a perennial top 5 nhl team in the league year in and year out, max patioretty is done for the year, and Jesse effin puljujarvi is who you go after? Go after a david Perron, he would be a hell of a lot more useful then puljujarvi and has cup experience and isn’t a lot more on the cap and wouldn’t have cost you an arm and a leg.

Stop it with your sensible ideas

 

[McShogun99]

How is this thread still going?

Every time JP gets a point this thread extends by 10 pages.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Carolina might have gotten what they wanted, but they didn’t get what they needed. Carolina had tons of cap space, tons of picks, they are a perennial top 5 nhl team in the league year in and year out, max patioretty is done for the year, and Jesse effin puljujarvi is who you go after? Go after a david Perron, he would be a hell of a lot more useful then puljujarvi and has cup experience and isn’t a lot more on the cap and wouldn’t have cost you an arm and a leg.

As posted a few pages ago:

“It's pretty certain that they committed to this move after their list of targets had already been exhausted.

- We knew weeks ahead of time that Kane was forcing his way to NYC.
- Horvat was traded on Jan 30
- Tarasenko was traded on Feb 9
- O'Reilly was traded on Feb 17
- Niederreiter was traded on Feb 25
- Meier was traded on Feb 26 (this is the one that we know the Canes threw serious assets at)
- This trade dropped on Feb 28, the same day that Kane, Johansson, Nyqvist were traded.

After this one, the Canes moved for Gostisbehere on March 1st, two days before the actual TDL. But during that whole post-2/28 timeframe, the highest-scoring forward that got moved was Max Domi of all people. Canes simply weren't interested in moving real assets for guys that were just going to plug into bottom-6 wing spots.”

It’s easy to throw names around and say “shoulda traded for X, he wouldn’t have cost much” but there are internal realities to these deals. Detroit pulled down multiple picks including 1sts for both Hronek and Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi has 7 goals this year… Perron has 20. Connect the dots. Detroit wasn’t trading Perron for scraps, they were looking for multiple 1sts for that kind of deal. There’s a reason he didn’t get traded. Carolina management isn’t throwing multiple 1sts at anything like a 35 year old rental.

We know they were in heavy on Meier and Miller, and when those struck out they were left sitting with unused cap space and no targets worth taking seriously. At that point they checked a box to fill an immediate depth need, with longshot upside to turn into something more useful, essentially for free. Why not? There was no downside to the move at that point.

Of course I don’t expect Oilers fans to be tracking Canes roster movement at that level of granularity. But even superficially, you can look at this and clearly see that it came after the trade market had settled and they had cap space to burn.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Why is it when we acquire players, fans of the previous team spend the next [insert time period here] trashing the player and trying to convince Canes fans how bad said player is?

1. We don’t care about your opinion. We watch hockey religiously as well. We wouldnt be frequent users of this board if we didn’t. Thus, we can form our own opinions. Yours actually means less than nothing, because it could easily be tainted by any number of factors, including simply being spurned by said player.

2. If JP sucks (and he’s certainly not made a big impact, despite what RBA believes), it’s not a big deal for the Canes. He plays for a few months, hits FA and we move on. Same thing we did with Max Domi last year. Acting like this was some big loss for Carolina or some huge victory for the Oilers is just embarrassing. Give your head a shake.

3. For the love of god, let players go. Ask Vancouver fans how many Canes fans they have trashing Ethan Bear in any discussion surrounding him. I’m going to assume it’s next to none. Not because Bear was good for us (he was for a bit, then very, very wasn’t. Covid sucks), but because he’s no longer on the team. Hell, we’re still paying part of his salary and I could not care less about how he’s performing in Vancouver (though, to my understanding, he’s been serviceable there).