C Elias Pettersson - Timra IK, Allsvenskan (2017, 5th, VAN)

[settinguptheplay]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

I guess you have not entered the Liljegren thread yet. I think, with few exceptions, that Canuck fan's expectations are pretty tapered. Most see him as 2 or 3 years away from the NHL. How this translates into over hyping a prospect I am not sure. Liljegren is already being talked about as the next Karlsson. Take about over hyping a prospect.

 

[Orca Smash]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

Wow so much bitterness in this post from a sens fan, I suppose we should learn to be level headed like ottowa fans are.... I also find it ironic these hype posts occur in most fanbase threads but when people see the bumps when it comes to a canucks prospect it pisses some fans off.

We are skeptical of all our prospects if you visit our board instead of picking a few posts here some of which are not even canucks fan to get you upset. Pettersson is the most purely skilled prospect we have drafted in many years (possibly since the sedins) and naturally we have a positive outlook but we also know the risks involved and time it will take for him to develop. Some of our fans still are upset we didnt draft another player.

If you also believe petterssons talent hype comes from a prospect scrimmage i would urge you to do more research. He has a long way to go yet, most of our fans on our board realize that unfortunately they dont care to visit the main board for reasons such as your post. And the ones that seem to get people going unfortunately love to post on the main boards.

 

[CanaFan]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

95% of Canuck fans are reserved about most/all of our prospects, including Pettersson. And 95% of those don't post in the main boards threads. Which means in this thread you are seeing nearly 100% of the 5% that go off their rocker every time a Canuck prospect looks good in a pre-season game or a mid-summer scrimmage. It's annoying to be sure but nothing the rest of us can do short of kicking them out of the clubhouse (if only that were allowed

 

[Hale The Villain]

I guess you have not entered the Liljegren thread yet. I think, with few exceptions, that Canuck fan's expectations are pretty tapered. Most see him as 2 or 3 years away from the NHL. How this translates into over hyping a prospect I am not sure. Liljegren is already being talked about as the next Karlsson. Take about over hyping a prospect.

Ahh Liljegren. The top 3 prospect that fell to 17 because of mono, injuries, switching teams, anti-Swede bias, Trump and absolutely no fault of his own.

Liljegren is probably #2, if not challenging Pettersson for #1

 

[CherryToke]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

Someone is still bitter about the Dahlen trade. It wasn't that bad..

Ok maybe it was.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Someone is still bitter about the Dahlen trade. It wasn't that bad..

ok maybe it was.

Check my post history dude.

I'm the guy always pointing out what a complete disaster that trade was for the Sens.

 

[83to48]

Ahh Liljegren. The top 3 prospect that fell to 17 because of mono, injuries, switching teams, anti-Swede bias, Trump and absolutely no fault of his own.

Liljegren is probably #2, if not challenging Pettersson for #1

Anti swede bias? haha what are you even talking about?

 

[boredmale]

With the talk of this guy it makes it sound like this should have been the Pettersson draft.

Patrick and Hischier are still a tier above as prospects.

I think this is the draft that somebody drafted 5th-11th may end up the best player 5 years from now. Not saying Pettersson will be the best player drafted 5 years from now but I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up the case.

 

[Siludin]

Anti swede bias? haha what are you even talking about?

I think it was sarcasm

 

[Siludin]

With the talk of this guy it makes it sound like this should have been the Pettersson draft.

Patrick and Hischier are still a tier above as prospects.

If Pettersson played in the QMJHL do you seriously think he wouldn't have gotten in the realm of 86 points in 57 games? If not, what would his production have looked like?

 

[83to48]

I think it was sarcasm

Makes sense, If anything I'd be loading up on Swedish defenders at the top of the draft. Especially ones that skate like Lilegren. I guess Hale was making fun of Leaf's fans, and that I fully support.

 

[CanaFan]

If Pettersson played in the QMJHL do you seriously think he wouldn't have gotten in the realm of 86 points in 57 games? If not, what would his production have looked like?

Well we obviously don't know so any guess would be exactly that, a guess.

But we do know that not a single scout is on record as having Pettersson ahead of Patrick or Hischier. Mackenzie interviewed 20+ and every one of them had Patrick or Hischier rated first.

We also know multiple rankings had Pettersson below the #5 spot where Vancouver took him. No one had Patrick or Hischier as low as 5.

Hischier was also much better in the WJC than Pettersson.

So while we could take wild guesses at what Pettersson would have scored in the Q, does it really matter? As of today Hischier is easily regarded as the better prospect. As a Canucks fan I'd love that to change someday but I'm also not going to be delusional about it either.

 

[Siludin]

Well we obviously don't know so any guess would be exactly that, a guess.

But we do know that not a single scout is on record as having Pettersson ahead of Patrick or Hischier. Mackenzie interviewed 20+ and every one of them had Patrick or Hischier rated first.

We also know multiple rankings had Pettersson below the #5 spot where Vancouver took him. No one had Patrick or Hischier as low as 5.

Hischier was also much better in the WJC than Pettersson.

So while we could take wild guesses at what Pettersson would have scored in the Q, does it really matter? As of today Hischier is easily regarded as the better prospect. As a Canucks fan I'd love that to change someday but I'm also not going to be delusional about it either.

Yeah that's fair. No meaningful hockey has been played since the most recent draft rankings. That being said, draft rankings can become a media echo chamber. I doubt many scouts were watching Allvenskan games so it's unlikely Pettersson would be talked about at all in the same category as Patrick/Hischer unless he was running up a PPG in the SHL.

 

[Enel]

The disrespect the Sedins still get is mind boggling to me

lol I‘m not disrespecting the Sedins. I meant they have pretty good careers.

 

[CanaFan]

Yeah that's fair. No meaningful hockey has been played since the most recent draft rankings. That being said, draft rankings can become a media echo chamber. I doubt many scouts were watching Allvenskan games so it's unlikely Pettersson would be talked about at all in the same category as Patrick/Hischer unless he was running up a PPG in the SHL.

I think scouts have better peripheral vision than you give them credit for. We aren't talking about comparing a pair of no-name prospects slated to go in the 7th round. Pettersson was high profile as was Hischier. I think the rankings certainly aren't ignorant of Pettersson's season/ability.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

You sound real salty bud. Don't have to be jelly

 

[lawrence]

You sound real salty bud. Don't have to be jelly

Only 1 person said his upside is a 90 point player. Non Canucks fans who seen him play including a ranger fan thinks he's the best forward from this draft but the Canuck fan base is overrating him....

Sounds more like fans saving up ammunition for future use.

Love hfboards.com

 

[Ainec]

70 point potential would be fair

 

[Canucks LB]

This just in, canucks are allowed to have elite prospects also.

Bure
Sedins

It can happen

 

[elitepete]

Lol that Sens fan is just mad that we got a centre prospect better than Colin White and useless Logan Brown.

 

[ulvvf]

....

 

[Luddowich]

Elias Pettersson has all the potential to be a PPG center in this league, just because he was drafted by the Canucks doesn't change that. People were saying this before he was even drafted by the Canucks, lol. Or does he potential lower because he was drafted by the Canucks.

Also, think a lot of people have terms mixed. Just because he has the potential to be a PPG center doesn't mean that he's going to be a PPG center.

 

[Aqualung]

Didn't take long for Pettersson to become the most overrated prospect in the game.

You'd think Canucks fans would be a bit more reserved after previous hyped prospects Hodgson, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, McCann, Virtanen, Jensen, Gaunce, Cassels, Corrado, Rodin and even Juolevi have disappointed and haven't come close to meeting the ridiculous expectations placed upon them.

But keep believing that Pettersson is a steal at 5 based on a couple prospect camp scrimmages.

Exhibit A

The only one I am really excited about out of that group is Mr. Patrick Wiercioch

Our scouting staff is considered one of the league's best and I was a little suprised when I saw Wiercioch's name picked at 42nd but I knew they must've seen something special in this guy

He is big, fast, and great in both ends. We could've very well pulled a draft steal out of this guy if he continues to develop at the pace he is now

Jared Cowen overrated? He gets no hype.....at all. And if anything he's underrated as a prospect after his whopping 6 game WJC performance that can apparently destroy any value in a prospect.

Not trying to sound like a homer or anything but Ottawa is getting majorly underrated in this thread.

Perhaps the best potential defense in 5 years with a combination of Erik Karlsson, Jared Cowen, Patrick Wiercioch, Brian Lee, Anton Volchenkov, Chris Phillips, Chris Campoli, Alexandre Picard.

Offense is perfectly fine with the CASH line, Kovalev, Foligno, Fisher, Regin, Silfverberg, Petersson etc...

Goaltending is set with the present - Pascal Leclaire, and the future with Elliott and Lehner

Lazar was tied with Mantha for the most even strength goals in the CHL; and he did that while focusing on defense first. The kid has an elite shot for his age and great goal scoring instincts. Sens management said he'll be a guy who will be putting up 30 goal seasons in the future, and they said that before his breakout offensive season. Saying he has a 20-20 ceiling is absurd.

21. David Rundblad - Amazed me in the WJC, looks like a steal at 21

You could make a case for Shattenkirk, maybe Cohen but Barrie? Not a chance. Having watched him play in Kelowna is a pleasure but if he makes the NHL it's as a top 4 puckmover at best, he'll most likely be a bottom pairing PP specialist. I think you really underrate Cowen, and also Rundblad. Our managment seems very fond of him, and our assistant GM was quoted saying Rundblad was a bigger version of Karlsson. Our former Swedish scout Anders Forsberg, who is responsible for EK, Petersson, Lehner, Silfverberg and others, is going to be his coach in Skelleftea for 10/11 and also thought very highly of him. If you didn't know, Hakan Andersson reccommended Forsberg to us, saying he was the next big thing.

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It's not whining dude, just the harsh reality. Cowen and Rundblad over Paajarvi and Tarasenko? tell me who would take Cowen and Rundblad aside from homer Sens fans.

Apparently our scouting staff



Get over it, Cowen is a great prospect and so is Rundblad. Murray is building from the net out. If you don't like it cheer for another team and stop your whining.

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Evidently, you were excited about a lot of prospects yourself for the Sens that eventually busted as well. Not to say there weren't more subdued posts, there certainly were, but those opinions developed with more information as you observed your prospects more. What you are observing now is the initial hype that some fans get when something is new and fresh. The dust will settle as players develops.

 

[Tomas W]

While I dont agree Pettersson is overrated, I agree that its unwise to judge him on a scrimmage. The question marks on this guy is how well he can develop physically, balance, lower body strenght. I dont knoe for sure, but in a scrimmage in which I doubt there are plenty boarderline dirty hits to cope with.

But I think his a great C prospect overall. Smart, good vision and soft hands.

 

[D0ctorCool]

Exhibit A













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Evidently, you were excited about a lot of prospects yourself for the Sens that eventually busted as well. Not to say there weren't more subdued posts, there certainly were, but those opinions developed with more information as you observed your prospects more. What you are observing now is the initial hype that some fans get when something is new and fresh. The dust will settle as players develops.

Remind me not to get on your bad side.