Confirmed Trade: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel, c.'23 3rd for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, c.'22 1st (Top10 protected), c.'23 2nd

[SundherDome]

If Eichel comes back from his ADR surgery and is as good as ever, it will be a bad look on Sabres management for forcing him to sit for so long and miss the Olympics.

No, it wont

 

[Kaen]

So would Buffalo, but you have to work with what you've got. The Sabres weren't going to have Eichel at this point, so anything is better than nothing. In terms of potential payoff, at least it looks better than the O'Reilly trade.

Definitely better than the O'Reilly trade, Tuch alone is likely worth more than they got for ROR.

I don't see it being that awful, sure they'd rather have Eichel, but with the situation being what it was they were lucky to get what they did. Honestly it's probably better than the rumored four 1st's return.

 

[Canadienna]

No, it wont

Why wouldn't it be? It would show they were wrong in forcing him into their surgery and they played with a young stars career due to stubbornness.

Maybe not to you but it's a bad look to me.

 

[Eisen]

Yesterday Krebs was called untouchable. Today he not a blue-chipper. HAHAHAHA

A 17 overall is barely a blue chipper. He's a good prospect. No need for superlatives. Of course calling him untouchable is equally wrong.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

He'll break out on their top 6 next season.

...or he'll just break.

 

[TheBeard]

I do wonder whether the VGK are already writing the 21-22 season down because the injury bug has struck so hard, and are looking forward to 22-23 in which case they'll have all summer to deal with the Eichel cap hit. On the other hand, if they can get Pach and Stone healthy, they do have a chance it being the Pacific division.

Would explain why it was important for them to lottery protect it.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Dahlin is awful, Cozens decent but a complementary player. AHL stats unfortunately mean nothing and Power will probably be trying to stay in school for 10 years to avoid coming into that mess.

learn about the team before you try to talk shit.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I almost feel bad for the Sabres fans getting clowned in this thread

Almost...

Is this the type of pettiness I missed in the trade threads? No wonder y'all are at each others necks. These clap backs are getting personal!

 

[CupInSIX]

...or he'll just break.

like the wind

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

WOW.

Of all the 31 teams, the one that made the most sense for him to be traded to is where he got traded to.

Now the game is played on the ice, we'll have to see if Eichel hasn't lost a step or if the fit is good, but on paper, that's a perfect fit to me. Good job GK.

 

[bsu]

Buffalo lul

 

[SundherDome]

Why wouldn't it be? It would show they were wrong in forcing him into their surgery and they played with a young stars career due to stubbornness.

Maybe not to you but it's a bad look to me.

Because they weren't wrong. The option they provided was what they were comfortable with. They also didn't play with his career., He chose not to get fusion (I 100% agree with him btw) and then kept giving the media tidbits about how unhappy and unfair things were. If I am a player, I am more upset at the CBA than the team following it.

 

[Sabre the Win]

THIS IS A WIN FOR BUFFALO

IF we are basing this off the horrible proposals from other teams in the Eichel Mega-Thread



Take Your L's

 

[HabsQC]

Good for both teams IMO considering the situatuion

 

[bsu]

No good.

 

[Ducks]

A 17 overall is barely a blue chipper. He's a good prospect. No need for superlatives. Of course calling him untouchable is equally wrong.

He fell to 17. A lot of people had him as a late top 10. Cole Caufield fell to 15 that year, I doubt anyone would consider him "barely a blue chipper".

 

[Rebels57]

Interesting to me that this is a similar level of return that the Flyers got for Eric Lindros from the Rangers back in the day.

ESPN.com - NHL - Rangers-Lindros ordeal finally over

Alex Tuch | Kim Johnsson
Peyton Krebs | Pavel Brendl
1st round pick | Jan Hlavac
3rd round pick | 3rd round pick

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Granted, these are two different things. However, because the risk of surgery isn't known, you can't claim that it's not a risky surgery, just like one should not claim that it is a risky surgery. Unknown is unknown.

I would not piss on any GM's. They have people helping them who know about medicals and the risk management more than you or I ever will. The reason Sabres did not get better return for Eichel is most likely the same reason why the Sabres would not let Eichel have the surgery he wants to begin with.

We of course don't know all the details of these negotiations, but I think there's a reason teams like Carolina, Florida, and Vegas have risen right to the top based on acquisitions of players who were available to other GMs. In many cases, those acquisitions didn't cost that much. That's because other GMs didn't value those good players as much and therefore didn't get those players and now have worse rosters as a result. I believe this is a similar situation. 2 years from now, Vegas is still going to be a very strong team, stronger than many of the other teams who could have afforded to pay even more for a top player, but didn't due to risk aversion or just poor judgment.

I wasn't as precise with my language as i should have been. To clarify, the surgery itself is NOT risky based on all data available. It has a very high success rate. The problem in this case is that the surgery is being applied to a person who plays professional hockey, and there is no data on that, so the risk this particular case is unknown. My point was that the unknown risk in this case isn't the same as high risk, but many are equating the two.

 

[displacedsabre]

One thing is for sure, Buffalos locker room got better, see ya drama king. i wonder how long it takes for Krebs to demand Granato be fired before he commits to the team?

 

[Antropovsky]

If Eichel comes back from his ADR surgery and is as good as ever, it will be a bad look on Sabres management for forcing him to sit for so long and miss the Olympics.

No it wont... if it's unsuccessful they (buffalo) don't want to be on the hook for the remainder of his contract like Islanders were with Depietro... or at least that's what I assume was buffalo's concern. It's simply a risk they didn't want to take...otherwise they could have and received a much better package for him. So they also are taking a potential loss too by trading him injured.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A 17 overall is barely a blue chipper. He's a good prospect. No need for superlatives. Of course calling him untouchable is equally wrong.

All 1st round picks start out as blue chip prospects that's why they are 1st round picks

 

[TheBeard]

I agree, when an elite, young #1 center comes on the market (unless the reason is heinous) every Gm in the opposite conference should be all in. Good on McC for going all in.

I think it’s also a realization that the Vegas market is fickle and not being able to bring a championship with a hot crowd will kill them financially down the road when fans stop going to games.

 

[Aoko]

That's it? Yikes. Buffalo dumb.

 

[SundherDome]

I think it’s also a realization that the Vegas market is fickle and not being able to bring a championship with a hot crowd will kill them financially down the road when fans stop going to games.

Didn't their owner also state he wanted a cup before he dies?

 

[Grantham]

Will eichel be the same player after recovering from his neck injury? Seems a gamble is apropos for vegas?

I think he'll be just fine and the surgery stuff is overblown. This is a good trade for both teams, but I give the edge to Vegas for getting the best player in the deal.

Buffalo had no choice though, and they had to finally do it. Tuch is a force, and Krebs looks legit. Nice deal where both teams should be happy.

As a Canucks fan, I'm not happy as Vegas just got way better (once Eichel plays)