Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours '17 - '18 II (post 'em here)

[Oates2Neely]

OEL is Keith Yandle. Overhyped as a stud dman, when in reality is a very good offensive dman with huge holes in his defensive game.

 

[TCB]

OEL is Keith Yandle. Overhyped as a stud dman, when in reality is a very good offensive dman with huge holes in his defensive game.

Great news for you.

The Canadiens are looking for a scout at the pro-ranks.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

OEL is consistently the worst minus player in Arizona, that’s kinda of scary. I have my doubts on how good he really is, but to be perfectly honest I haven’t watched him that much.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I'm not a +/- guy, but I do think it's impressive that he's a -40 this year haha

 

[rocketdan9]

Who can the Bruins obtain for Krug and Spooner?

Would the Sens bite?

What about for one of Mark Stone or Duchene?

Marchand Bergeron Pasta
Debrusk Krejci Cehlarik
Heinen Duchene Backes
Schaller/Kulary Nash Acciari

Chara McAvoy
Grz Carlo
Mcquaid Miller

 

[BruinsPortugal]

I'm not a +/- guy, but I do think it's impressive that he's a -40 this year haha

Yeah, I’m not either but that’s just amazingly bad.
He’s either out there the entire game, which given how bad they are would obviously translate into a minus player, or he is the unluckiest player in the world and is always out there in the worst moments, or he’s just not very good defensively. I haven’t watched him enough to know the answer but either way it’s concerning, to say the least.

 

[rocketdan9]

or trade Krug and Spooner for Simmonds and picks

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

or trade Krug and Spooner for Simmonds and picks

Throw in Bjork as well and a couple 1sts. Brutal proposal. Krug for a winger is a non-starter. Krug for an upgrade on LHD, fine. You kill the defense with any suggestion to move Krug in a deal for a winger. Trading a need for a non-need. Great stuff. Thankfully, Sweeney isn't dumb.

Who can the Bruins obtain for Krug and Spooner?

Would the Sens bite?

What about for one of Mark Stone or Duchene?

Marchand Bergeron Pasta
Debrusk Krejci Cehlarik
Heinen Duchene Backes
Schaller/Kulary Nash Acciari

Chara McAvoy
Grz Carlo
Mcquaid Miller

Yep, keep trading Krug for wingers. That's a bang-up LHD you have right there! Hahahahaha

No, Sens don't bite.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

OEL is consistently the worst minus player in Arizona, that’s kinda of scary. I have my doubts on how good he really is, but to be perfectly honest I haven’t watched him that much.

The plus/minus is easily explained when he's the top minute muncher on a perpetual loser team.

I think he's over hyped at times as a top ten NHL defenceman... There's no doubt though that he's a top-pairing guy and would be on almost team in the league.

My concern in making a play would be solely based on salary cap implications. Personally, I think he'd be a luxury in Boston rather than a requirement.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

The plus/minus is easily explained when he's the top minute muncher on a perpetual loser team.

I think he's over hyped at times as a top ten NHL defenceman... There's no doubt though that he's a top-pairing guy and would be on almost team in the league.

My concern in making a play would be solely based on salary cap implications. Personally, I think he'd be a luxury in Boston rather than a requirement.

I can understand that but -40?? That seems rather extreme just from a purely outside perspective.

He’s contract is similar to krugs. If the is that good and is available, it’s the kind of upgrade we should look into, but he’s next contract could be a problem, I agree.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The plus/minus is easily explained when he's the top minute muncher on a perpetual loser team.

I think he's over hyped at times as a top ten NHL defenceman... There's no doubt though that he's a top-pairing guy and would be on almost team in the league.

My concern in making a play would be solely based on salary cap implications. Personally, I think he'd be a luxury in Boston rather than a requirement.

He's definitely a top 10 offensive defenseman in the league. Hell, probably top 5. Arizona is a disgrace defensively though, and their goalie situation is embarrassing. He's playing around 24 minutes a night in front of AHL quality goaltending so the high minus season is expected. It's just crazy he's a -37 and the next closest defenseman is Goligoski (who plays 23 minutes a night) at a -22.

I'm sure in Boston, or anywhere for that matter, he'd have much better statistics. I wouldn't view him as a luxury, if it's the right deal. He'd actually solve the Bruins issue on the left side for years; assuming they could re-sign him on a good long-term deal. When Chara leaves, you still have a top pairing defenseman to go with McAvoy, or compliment Carlo perfectly.

 

[rocketdan9]

Throw in Bjork as well and a couple 1sts. Brutal proposal. Krug for a winger is a non-starter. Krug for an upgrade on LHD, fine. You kill the defense with any suggestion to move Krug in a deal for a winger. Trading a need for a non-need. Great stuff. Thankfully, Sweeney isn't dumb.



Yep, keep trading Krug for wingers. That's a bang-up LHD you have right there! Hahahahaha

No, Sens don't bite.

Face it man...Krug is a weak defender, doesn't have the motor to bring it up the ice consistently

He is a specialist and hasn't even been that good on the PP

rather have Mcavoy and Grz on the PP anyways

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I keep seeing Stone in offers. He's a great player and would fit this team perfectly. But why would the Sens even consider trading him for anything less than ludicrous overpayment? He's part of what I would assume Ottawa is trying to build on.

I think some of us are setting ourselves up for disappointment if a guy like Stone is the expectation.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Face it man...Krug is a weak defender, doesn't have the motor to bring it up the ice consistently

He is a specialist and hasn't even been that good on the PP

rather have Mcavoy and Grz on the PP anyways

You ignored my point to your terrible proposals. Trading Krug for a winger doesn't help the team. It actually weakens it significantly. You're sniffing glue if you think a left side of Chara, Grzelcyk, Miller (with McQuaid on the right) is giving the Bruins a better chance to go far in the playoffs. I get it, man. You dislike Krug and have "shiny new toy" syndrome with Grzelcyk.

Krug is not weak defensively. He's average. If you say he's weak defensively, your argument is null and void. He has his moments back there, just like everyone else.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

He's definitely a top 10 offensive defenseman in the league. Hell, probably top 5. Arizona is a disgrace defensively though, and their goalie situation is embarrassing. He's playing around 24 minutes a night in front of AHL quality goaltending so the high minus season is expected. It's just crazy he's a -37 and the next closest defenseman is Goligoski (who plays 23 minutes a night) at a -22.

I'm sure in Boston, or anywhere for that matter, he'd have much better statistics. I wouldn't view him as a luxury, if it's the right deal. He'd actually solve the Bruins issue on the left side for years; assuming they could re-sign him on a good long-term deal. When Chara leaves, you still have a top pairing defenseman to go with McAvoy, or compliment Carlo perfectly.

I think where you and I differ, is that you see an "issue" with the left side of our defence that requires a top-end player to solve. I don't. I think the potential issue occurs when we're looking at major payments to OEL and McAvoy.

The "fixes" for this roster are (in my view) far simpler than adding... Well, to put this succinctly, I don't think we require an addition to the core of this team.

This all being said, if the Bruins could make a play for OEL without crippling themselves in another area, my concerns would likely be drowned out by the excitement of the move.

 

[TCB]

I think where you and I differ, is that you see an "issue" with the left side of our defence that requires a top-end player to solve. I don't. I think the potential issue occurs when we're looking at major payments to OEL and McAvoy.

The "fixes" for this roster are (in my view) far simpler than adding... Well, to put this succinctly, I don't think we require an addition to the core of this team.

This all being said, if the Bruins could make a play for OEL without crippling themselves in another area, my concerns would likely be drowned out by the excitement of the move.

That's why Jack Johnson would be a good addition. Hes capable of playing both the left and right-side but like you said if OEL can be had in a fair deal, that'd be nice.

I don't feel Spooner is in their plans beyond this yr and Jack Johnson gives the Bruins a better chance of winning this yr. I want that trade to Happen!

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

That's why Jack Johnson would be a good addition. Hes capable of playing both the left and right-side but like you said if OEL can be had in a fair deal, that'd be nice.

I don't feel Spooner is in their plans beyond this yr and Jack Johnson gives the Bruins a better chance of winning this yr. I want that trade to Happen!

Is Johnson better than Krug or Grzelcyk at this point? I'm not really confident he is. I wouldn't be selling the farm for him, that's for sure.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Is Johnson better than Krug or Grzelcyk at this point? I'm not really confident he is. I wouldn't be selling the farm for him, that's for sure.

I'm not suggesting "selling the farm" for Johnson (see my above proposal of Spooner straight across). And while he's definitely a better player today than Grzelcyk, I don't believe he's as valuable as Krug.

Thing is, he brings experience that Gryz doesn't have and size/physicality that neither of them do without sacrificing the skating game. His presence would take a lot of pressure off of Krug and Chara as you don't have the same hesitation to start him in the defensive zone that you do with Grzelcyk... And to be fair, Krug as well.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Who can the Bruins obtain for Krug and Spooner?

Would the Sens bite?

What about for one of Mark Stone or Duchene?

UGH, dealing Krug kills the Bruins PP.

And Matt Duchene. Lets just forget the fact that Ottawa trashed their franchise in a deal to get him. He is now in the middle of his second straight season being an absolutely awful hockey player. Why on earth would Boston destroy their back end to get him.

Sorry Krug is way more valuable if Boston were to move him than the way some people treat him on the board

In terms of OEL, the only way i could see a deal making sense is if Boston were to suddenly decide they want to upgrade on Krug (I don't think they want to), then a deal of Krug plus a couple piece (Spooner? maybe a prospect or pick) to Arizona for OEL.

Krug isn't as good as OEL, but he is a extremely valuable and has an extra year on his contract, which is very valuable

 

[Skelen]

It really depends what Sweeny is willing to offer for OEL that could make it worth it in the long run. I think he allows us to make a serious push for the cup this year but his cap could affect us when having to resign the kids (Mc, Carlo, DeBrusk, Heinen, etc.). I think by next year we could see guys like Lauzon, Zboril or O'Gara coming up and staying. Unless we ship off 1-2 of those guys in deals, or send a current Dman back, OEL could be a bigger problem than solution for us.

It might be better off for us to seek that top 6-9 winger and use our assets for that instead. A couple people mentioned Bjork in a deal which I hate because I think this kid has the potential to play amazing with Pasta and Krej. He's very creative and can slow things down to a comfortable pace. Once he gets himself going again in Providence then call him up and see if he can stay. If not, seek a better solution in a trade.

 

[TCB]

Is Johnson better than Krug or Grzelcyk at this point? I'm not really confident he is. I wouldn't be selling the farm for him, that's for sure.

I agree you keep the farm. Your selling Surplus(Spooner) to acquire assets (Johnson).

 

[TCB]

Fischer would be a great fit as a big bodied, natural RW for Krejci but I'd hate to see what you have to give up to get him. I doubt it would be as simple as Spooner straight up and even then it's tough to give up your backup scoring center if there are injuries.

I was hoping Crouse would drop to the Bruins at 13 but I'm glad he didn't. He's big but he's not putting up the points since McAvoy dropped him with that clean, open ice hit in the summer tune-up series back in 2016. As others have said, if he doesn't cost you a lot, say Cave or Johansson, sure. But he's probably on a longer term development path than Senyshyn.

Watched some of the yotes game last night and I think your Bang on about Fischer. He's a player, and would be the perfect fit for Krejci's right side. id like to see him and Hjalmarsson in a package.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Yeah, I'm not sure why a rebuilding team would move a player like Fischer?

 

[TCB]

Yeah, I'm not sure why a rebuilding team would move a player like Fischer?

No Brainer. You Give them more surplus of the Farm which would become assets for them. It really isn't all that hard to understand.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

No Brainer. You Give them more surplus of the Farm which would become assets for them. It really isn't all that hard to understand.

I guess it depends on what extra surplus you're giving up for him. If it's Bjork+ then no...It doesn't make any sense. What are we talking here? The Coyotes don't have to move Fischer. He's a young piece to build around. You don't deal him for lesser valued guys, and the Bruins don't deal for him by giving up similar developmental prospects.