I may speak in exaggeration sometimes, but it's not as hyperbolic as you think. Tbh, even if Ryan was getting paid 3-4 mil, I'd want him off the team. He doesn't suit our top 6 or bottom 6 so why have him? I was quite vocal with Milo and I think Milo in his late years was better than Ryan is now. Ryan doesn't do much of anything at all when he isn't scoring points... and he isn't even scoring a lot of points. He's paid a bit too much? Are you serious? He's paid double what he's worth.
IMO an excellent comparable for him now is probably Vanek. Ryan deserves Vanek's 2.6 mil. I'd give him 3.5 MAXIMUM, if I was in a giving mood. The thing is, we don't have an elite center or forward group, so guys like Ryan we'll never get the best out of. I'd rather just get a 40 point 2 way beast who will help us in possession and make a team like CLB.
Vanek literally put up almost exact same season, last year, that Ryan is putting up this year and he only got 2.6 mil IN FREE AGENCY.
I am sorry RKL but the way you post sometimes makes you sound delusional. And I am going to show you why just right now.
In this post, you
claim that Bobby Ryan is "paid double what he's worth." So you are saying that he is worth
3.625 per year.. You basically said you were NOT hyperbolic here.
Do you want to see which forwards make that kind of money on their UFA years? (3.5 to 4.0)
Matt Read, Patrik Berglund, 37 y/o Pascal Dupuis, David Perron, Matt Beleskey, 37 y/o Chris Kunitz, Darren Helm, Cody Eakin, 40 y/o Shane Doan, Andrew Shaw, Colin Wilson
Do you expect serious people to take you seriously?
And comparing it with Vanek "1 year prove-it" contract? Like really?
Vanek earned $7,142,857 while Ryan was earning $5,100,000 and then $6,500,000 for 3 years before this season.
Ryan was on pace for something like 28 goals and 56 points during what ended up as his contract year. This was despite playing a big chunk of the season injured before being shut down when Ottawa decided playoffs were out of reach. First half of the season prior to getting injured he was even better. There certainly was a dynamic where Ottawa couldn't afford to let Ryan walk, but he was everything he was advertised to be in his first season which was the one that earned him his extension as like most big stars he signed a year early. He signed at the perfect time before the CAD tanked which meant the cap outlook was much more optimistic. Go look at some of the UFA year contracts signed around that time. Over 7M at the time was basically what 6M is now to UFA forwards.
Ryan has been a disappointment since signing that deal, but I hate the revisionist history that the contract was a pure panic move. They signed arguably their best forward from the previous year to a market value contract extension when their forward depth looked like this without him.....Turris, Zibanejad, Michalek, Chiasson, and then a mishmash of guys like Condra, Smith pre-awesome, Greening, Neil. Stone/Hoffman had yet to break out when he signed.
We should force people to read reality posts like this before commenting on the subject. Ask them questions and if they get the answers, then they can participate
He isn't producing at his contract level, he isn't being utilized at that level either. But he isn't producing like a 3rd liner and he isn't $ 5M overpaid.
In before somebody actually tells you that this isn't as hyperbolic as we think
I cannot understand for the life of me that people choose to compare salaries with their GM fantasy league instead of the real NHL market.
Xspyrit
what I called an oxymoron was you using the phrase
"UFAs in their prime"
UFAs aren't in their prime.....they get signed to long term deals and are in their declining years....which is the situation with Ryan
Ah ok, I am not very used to that term. English is my 3rd language sorry
Yeah, they are not really in their prime, but those in their late 20's still are and can still contribute a great deal (players I listed for example)
Sorry for expecting a guy with a 7.25 million dollar cap hit to be an impact player. My mistake I guess.
I'm happy for you that you're satisfied with one pass he made last game. I guess that justifies his high salary. Hey everybody Bobby Ryan mad a nice pass! Let's shower him with praise!
Nobody is giving him praise. Nobody is satisfied with one nice pass. Everybody would like more from him, but even if he plays below expectations, it doesn't justify the crazy delusional things we can read on here.
You have unrealistic expectations about Ryan. He is not an elite player. Of course if you look straight at the cap hit without understanding the context, you are totally right. But like danielpalfredsson explained in post #953, the timing of the signing is a big reason why his cap hit is inflated. Another reason is the fact that Ottawa is a small market in Canada with heavy taxes (I asked a few NHL and ex-NHL players and they confirmed me that most players would rather sign in USA cities with lower taxes) and a ****** winter. No history of winning or the big city feel that attracts many players as well.
Bobby Ryan should have been signed 6.0 per year, but Ottawa had to overpay to keep him because if not, Ryan would most likely have just signed for an American city (in his country) with less taxes.
So what do you want to do about it? He is overpaid and it's the reality. I mean it has been said enough, what else is there to say? Are we going to cry about it forever? lol
Do you think he is the only player overpaid in the league?
https://www.capfriendly.com/cost_per_point/2017/season/all/all/all/costperpoints/desc