Rumor: Bobby Ryan not exempt from expansion draft | Ryan talk

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Langdon Alger

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At this point in his career maybe he is an AHLer.
He had a decent NHL career and a great season in his contract year. After that he slowly fell off the map. Similar to Ryan except Ryan didn't have a great contact year but got the money anyways.

Maybe, but for his sake I hope he gets traded and is given one more chance in the league.
 

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Ryan has declined so much that we're now just happy when he makes a single nice play a game.

That's how much we have to dig to find the good in his play. I too can make a spin-o-rama no look pass and a few might connect.

Remember last night when we had extra man on delayed penalty and he could have held on to puck and fed it to EK but instead he thought he was gretzky and spun around faster than Cinderella after midnight and almost put it into his own net?
 

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Ryan has declined so much that we're now just happy when he makes a single nice play a game.

That's how much we have to dig to find the good in his play. I too can make a spin-o-rama no look pass and a few might connect.

Remember last night when we had extra man on delayed penalty and he could have held on to puck and fed it to EK but instead he thought he was gretzky and spun around faster than Cinderella after midnight and almost put it into his own net?

If he's as bad as you seem to be claiming, you should be able to find actual bad things he's doing instead of bad things he almost did.
 

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If he's as bad as you seem to be claiming, you should be able to find actual bad things he's doing instead of bad things he almost did.

tbh if we weren't a budget team i wouldnt be complaining this much, i guess it's my way of releasing my anger on the budget, instead of complaining directly towards that, im looking at players who are contributing significantly less than they're supposed to(especially relative to $$)
 

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We all knew what we were getting when Murray traded for phaneuf and he has be solid. We thought we knew what we were getting with Ryan and everyone except for Xspirit is disappointed.
 

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If Ottawa was actually capable of attracting the best UFAs in their prime

that statement right there is an oxymoron.

Apart from Okposo who probably has a couple peak years left, I can't think of any recent UFA that was in their prime when they signed a big UFA deal. Teams have reacted to the last CBA which lowered the UFA age by signing their top tier talent to long deals that cover off part of their RFA and part of their UFA years. You just don't see a lot of UFA players available that are in their prime.

Shattenkirk might be a good example yet just this week Dreger called him a 3rd pair guy that is a PP specialist. And he followed that up by coming out and saying it wasn't his opinion, it was the opinion of NHL execs he spoke with.

The other thing that you do not see is UFAs signed to big deals and then living up to the contract AAV. That just doesn't happen with maybe the exception of Okposo who I noted.
 

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Ryan has declined so much that we're now just happy when he makes a single nice play a game.

That's how much we have to dig to find the good in his play. I too can make a spin-o-rama no look pass and a few might connect.

Remember last night when we had extra man on delayed penalty and he could have held on to puck and fed it to EK but instead he thought he was gretzky and spun around faster than Cinderella after midnight and almost put it into his own net?

do you believe the stuff you post?

I think I will borrow a page from your book and say "worst post I have seen in a while"
 

Langdon Alger

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do you believe the stuff you post?

I think I will borrow a page from your book and say "worst post I have seen in a while"

I agreed with all of it. Ryan does sweet **** all out there on most nights. Not an impact player at all.
 

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Ryan has declined so much that we're now just happy when he makes a single nice play a game.

do you believe the stuff you post?

I think I will borrow a page from your book and say "worst post I have seen in a while"
I agree with this part. @ 7.25 million he is not a threat to any team. No team in the league say's " how are we going to shut down Bobby Ryan"?
 

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do you believe the stuff you post?

I think I will borrow a page from your book and say "worst post I have seen in a while"

It scares me that you think that is the worst post you've seen. Yikes. Is that you Bobby? Please get your **** together.

You're in the minority here.
 

Langdon Alger

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Bobby is comfortable since getting his contract extension, so now he's just going through the motions.
 

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If Ottawa was actually capable of attracting the best UFAs in their prime (and have the money to spend to the cap and even bury a player or take on salary in a trade), they could actually be a contender already.

I'm getting very tired of this narrative. Not just from you, it gets repeated over and over on this board. Who are all these prime UFAs that are signing everywhere but Ottawa? The UFA market has been garbage for more than ten years now, almost all of them are overpaid mediocre players.

I'm kind of glad the Sens don't participate in that nonsense. Occasionally a couple of them are pretty good in their first year but after that are a drag if they are signed long term. A few can be good for one year to help a team and I'm ok with that approach.

Okposo keeps getting referenced, isn't he signed for 7 years? My gosh, I wouldn't want him for that long. How about Lucic, terrible.

Or you can dig in the garbage pile for the likes of Radulov. Habs fans may like the shiny new toy for the first 30 games, me, I hate this player. He's already starting to look disinterested to me and I follow the Habs games. I honestly hope the Habs sign him long term, he will be an anchor and a whipping boy in Montreal by the end of the year.

UFAs aren't the answer unless it's for a middle player for a couple of years. I see it as not that Ottawa can't attract the "prime" UFAs, they just choose not to get caught up in the nonsense and I'm perfectly fine with that.
 

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I'm getting very tired of this narrative. Not just from you, it gets repeated over and over on this board. Who are all these prime UFAs that are signing everywhere but Ottawa? The UFA market has been garbage for more than ten years now, almost all of them are overpaid mediocre players.

I'm kind of glad the Sens don't participate in that nonsense. Occasionally a couple of them are pretty good in their first year but after that are a drag if they are signed long term. A few can be good for one year to help a team and I'm ok with that approach.

Okposo keeps getting referenced, isn't he signed for 7 years? My gosh, I wouldn't want him for that long. How about Lucic, terrible.

Or you can dig in the garbage pile for the likes of Radulov. Habs fans may like the shiny new toy for the first 30 games, me, I hate this player. He's already starting to look disinterested to me and I follow the Habs games. I honestly hope the Habs sign him long term, he will be an anchor and a whipping boy in Montreal by the end of the year.

UFAs aren't the answer unless it's for a middle player for a couple of years. I see it as not that Ottawa can't attract the "prime" UFAs, they just choose not to get caught up in the nonsense and I'm perfectly fine with that.
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What you talkin' bout willis?
 

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Ryan has declined so much that we're now just happy when he makes a single nice play a game.

That's how much we have to dig to find the good in his play. I too can make a spin-o-rama no look pass and a few might connect.

Remember last night when we had extra man on delayed penalty and he could have held on to puck and fed it to EK but instead he thought he was gretzky and spun around faster than Cinderella after midnight and almost put it into his own net?

Ya gotta calm down on the hyperbole, it doesn't help your points when you write much but say little. It's kind of a nasty habit on this particular board, folks exaggerate single plays or games and extrapolate from there.

Ryan is struggling, but really, his only crime is that he is paid a bit too much. So what, lots of players in the NHL are overpaid.
 

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Ya gotta calm down on the hyperbole, it doesn't help your points when you write much but say little. It's kind of a nasty habit on this particular board, folks exaggerate single plays or games and extrapolate from there.

Ryan is struggling, but really, his only crime is that he is paid a bit too much. So what, lots of players in the NHL are overpaid.

No, he's guilty of not showing up every night. Look at a guy like Mark Stone. He's always doing something out there. Stealing pucks, generating chances, scoring goals, involved in the play. Do you see the same from Ryan?

Did you know he only has 72 shots on goal this year? 72! In 44 games. If you're happy with that, good for you. Your expectations are pretty low I guess.
 

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Ya gotta calm down on the hyperbole, it doesn't help your points when you write much but say little. It's kind of a nasty habit on this particular board, folks exaggerate single plays or games and extrapolate from there.

Ryan is struggling, but really, his only crime is that he is paid a bit too much. So what, lots of players in the NHL are overpaid.
Ryan struggles more than playing a good game.
 

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Ya gotta calm down on the hyperbole, it doesn't help your points when you write much but say little. It's kind of a nasty habit on this particular board, folks exaggerate single plays or games and extrapolate from there.

Ryan is struggling, but really, his only crime is that he is paid a bit too much. So what, lots of players in the NHL are overpaid.

I may speak in exaggeration sometimes, but it's not as hyperbolic as you think. Tbh, even if Ryan was getting paid 3-4 mil, I'd want him off the team. He doesn't suit our top 6 or bottom 6 so why have him? I was quite vocal with Milo and I think Milo in his late years was better than Ryan is now. Ryan doesn't do much of anything at all when he isn't scoring points... and he isn't even scoring a lot of points. He's paid a bit too much? Are you serious? He's paid double what he's worth.

IMO an excellent comparable for him now is probably Vanek. Ryan deserves Vanek's 2.6 mil. I'd give him 3.5 MAXIMUM, if I was in a giving mood. The thing is, we don't have an elite center or forward group, so guys like Ryan we'll never get the best out of. I'd rather just get a 40 point 2 way beast who will help us in possession and make a team like CLB.

Vanek literally put up almost exact same season, last year, that Ryan is putting up this year and he only got 2.6 mil IN FREE AGENCY.
 

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I agree with one thing - Ottawa needs to stay the hell out of the UFA waters. Offhand, I can't think of one good value contract for a decent (top 6F, top 4D) player in the last few years. Too much money for hired mercenaries who only care about getting their retirement contracts.
 

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I agree with one thing - Ottawa needs to stay the hell out of the UFA waters. Offhand, I can't think of one good value contract for a decent (top 6F, top 4D) player in the last few years. Too much money for hired mercenaries who only care about getting their retirement contracts.

More often than not the top guys re-sign with their respective team, which is why a guy like David Clarkson becomes the guy who generates the most interest. It's a blessing to miss out on players like that.
 

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The only UFA market Ottawa should be involved in is acquiring the low-tier, low profile names. They sign for cheap, and sometimes can end up being gems. MacArthur was a gem @ 3.25M, Pyatt is looking good. Going after guys like Ladd, Lucic, or Backes and signing them for 5+ years at insane amounts is not a good look. Pay you're big dogs (Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone) big money and fill the rest with serviceable low cost players. Sam Gagner for example was a solid addition this year for Columbus.
 

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Ya gotta calm down on the hyperbole, it doesn't help your points when you write much but say little. It's kind of a nasty habit on this particular board, folks exaggerate single plays or games and extrapolate from there.

Ryan is struggling, but really, his only crime is that he is paid a bit too much. So what, lots of players in the NHL are overpaid.

RKL is over the top sometimes but he has a point here.

To the first bolded part of your post, this happens pretty much everywhere. It's not exclusive to the Sens board.

To the seconded bolded part of your post, so what if others are overpaid? That has no concern to this organization. We are evaluating Bobby Ryan of the Ottawa Senators. When I watch Ryan I never picture the 7 million dollar price tag over his head, I evaluate based on what I see. I can never fully blame a player for what they are paid, its their (agent included) right to exercise how much they think their worth. It's the GM who is mostly at fault for caving in and giving to the players demand that I would lay most blame on.

As RKL said, he doesn't seem to fit anywhere in the lineup really.
 

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The only UFA market Ottawa should be involved in is acquiring the low-tier, low profile names. They sign for cheap, and sometimes can end up being gems. MacArthur was a gem @ 3.25M, Pyatt is looking good. Going after guys like Ladd, Lucic, or Backes and signing them for 5+ years at insane amounts is not a good look. Pay you're big dogs (Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone) big money and fill the rest with serviceable low cost players. Sam Gagner for example was a solid addition this year for Columbus.

I agree with this 100%. You need to go shopping in the bargain bin in July. Those are often the best signings.
 

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do you believe the stuff you post?

I think I will borrow a page from your book and say "worst post I have seen in a while"

He may be exaggerating but the idea of his post is accurate.
 

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He may be exaggerating but the idea of his post is accurate.

The idea that her is "good enough" on some nights just does not cut it. He was signed to be an impact, difference maker. He is not this at all.

The comment that other teams do not consider how to shut him down rings loudly.

We need to get out from under his contract as soon as possible. Send a message to the others as well that the country club is closed and the dressing room is a place of intense business.

Imagine Ryan's (7,250,000) and MacArthur's (4,650,000) money spent on two other more dominant players at 6M each. Or one mega-star (Tavares type) and a No4 D. Do that and we can be serious contenders.
 
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